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[Oracle]

It's not a compromise to accept guarantees from the people who have invaded us in the FIRST place!

It's surrender to blackmail.

In fact, it makes the matter worse.

We know what they can do, what they HAVE done, yet we allow them to continue having this right to abuse us!

Think, think, think!

[Malapapa]

:) thats good, compromise from both sides just to ensure the security of both sides to put our minds to rest.

with an expiry date to the garantee wE both are happy and get what we want, you have your safety and after time we have no Garantores in cyprus after your happy with how things are going in cy.

This is theonly way we can agree a solution just saying No gets us nowhere

The Turkish Reich's continued interference in Cyprus's affairs is not a solution.

[Viewpoint]

true, we both have to make compromises, we might not always like it but if we are to have a solution to the cy problem thsi is what needs to be done, i agree. saying no al the time will get us both ( gc and tcs ) nowhere

as you can see not everyone is in agreement with you thats why there Will never be a solution the chasm is just to side

[Viewpoint]

:) thats good, compromise from both sides just to ensure the security of both sides to put our minds to rest.

with an expiry date to the garantee wE both are happy and get what we want, you have your safety and after time we have no Garantores in cyprus after your happy with how things are going in cy.

This is theonly way we can agree a solution just saying No gets us nowhere

The Turkish Reich's continued interference in Cyprus's affairs is not a solution.

you are not to be trusted which part of we do not trust youdont you understand?

[paliometoxo]

true, we both have to make compromises, we might not always like it but if we are to have a solution to the cy problem thsi is what needs to be done, i agree. saying no al the time will get us both ( gc and tcs ) nowhere

as you can see not everyone is in agreement with you thats why there Will never be a solution the chasm is just to side

yes i can see, i can understand why and i would rather we had no garantore powers but especially if its just for a short number of years, where is the harm in this? after the time is up there would be no garantore powers if accepted a time limit just to ensure safety for the future of the tcs and make them feel ok to live with us under one roof.

[boomerang]

how about guarantees and a unitary state...one man one vote...and everyone back to their properties...

[wyoming cowboy]

You make no sense YFred your democratic rights only consist of being a minority run by a majority of Greek cyps, if we Greek cyps decide that there will be no guarantee then there wont be......Go find and learn the definitions of what a democracy is before you come back....and hurry up

I said it before and I'll say it again. You go asikdir any time you like but the TCs will keep their guarantor and their gurantee. Surely it is our democratic right, No?

[DT.]

how about guarantees and a unitary state...one man one vote...and everyone back to their properties...

they'd use the guarantee to take the whole thing back the next day.

[Kikapu]

There cannot be any guarantees from Turkey in Cyprus. They had that privilege back in 1960 and abused it beyond any imagination soon after, along with Greece and Britain, therefore, they only have themselves to blame for not being wanted as a guarantors any longer. At least Greece and Britain now have the good sense not to make such ludicrous demands. I guess they have accepted their failures as guarantors and are willing to let their guarantor memberships expire. Had they ALL used their privileged guarantorships to what they all signed up to do, which they had not, and not only they did not do what they were suppose to do, but instead one had became an occupying power, I'm almost certain there would be no questions asked today as far as them ALL being invited to be guarantors again, had they all did their duties to the benefit of Cyprus and for ALL Cypriots. As the saying goes, "Fuck me once, shame on you.! Fuck me twice, shame on me".! For those who insists that there cannot be a settlement unless Turkey is a guarantor power, they are not looking after the interest of Cyprus and ALL Cypriots, but the interest of ONLY Turkey's and also to keep their Taksim dreams alive by the Fascist NeoPartitionist, only this time Taksim will come in the form as a recognised EU member and not the "Pirates of the Mediterranean" is what we have today in the north.

There are far better and more effective ways to secure everyone security in Cyprus, starting with a constitution that respects Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles than invite the same past "Three Stooges". Had they been the "Three Musketeers", (all for one and one for all), we would not be having this conversation now. If we were to reward bad behaviour in anything, there's no reason why the bad behaviour will not continue again in the future. It's like giving permission for them to become abusive again. Those who say we need Turkey's guarantees are only saying, "we want Turkey's guarantees to achieve Taksim as a recognised EU member". Turkey cannot become a guarantor on one part of the island without violating not only the sovereignty of Cyprus as a whole, but the sovereignty of the 27 EU member nation, which I'm most certain that the EU will not want Turkey to become their guarantor power of any part of her own territory, thank you very much.!

[Viewpoint]

true, we both have to make compromises, we might not always like it but if we are to have a solution to the cy problem thsi is what needs to be done, i agree. saying no al the time will get us both ( gc and tcs ) nowhere

as you can see not everyone is in agreement with you thats why there Will never be a solution the chasm is just to side

yes i can see, i can understand why and i would rather we had no garantore powers but especially if its just for a short number of years, where is the harm in this? after the time is up there would be no garantore powers if accepted a time limit just to ensure safety for the future of the tcs and make them feel ok to live with us under one roof.

unfortunately for us you are a minority