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The guarantee for TCs is a TC decision. GCs cannot have a say in that.

No it isn’t! TCs are NOT a country to be in a position make such decisions. The official national guarantor is the CNG whether you like it or not.

Keep up that mentality and it will be partition, old chap.

Partition my friend is the solution which will heard you most.You have just not realized it.Neither G/cs of course who still believe that partition it will be their disaster solution- Any other solution is giving an end of Greeks in Cyprus. Partition is the only solution giving an end to Turkey itselve.!!!

[Get Real!]

Partition may not be a bad thing so long as TRNC is allowed into EU in it's own right. Annexation with Turkey may not be a forgone conclusion. That rather depends on our GC cousins.

He didn’t earn the 23 votes by accident… the EU will have to come up with a new classification for them like “Net Handout” or something!

[Get Real!]

The guarantee for TCs is a TC decision. GCs cannot have a say in that.

No it isn’t! TCs are NOT a country to be in a position make such decisions. The official national guarantor is the CNG whether you like it or not.

Keep up that mentality and it will be partition, old chap.

As if you've got such a option... your days are numbered.

[YFred]

The guarantee for TCs is a TC decision. GCs cannot have a say in that.

No it isn’t! TCs are NOT a country to be in a position make such decisions. The official national guarantor is the CNG whether you like it or not.

Keep up that mentality and it will be partition, old chap.

As if you've got such a option... your days are numbered.

What number shall we start from then for a count down, or do you not watch the program?

[fwnh]

It's the only way it should be

[denizaksulu]

The guarantee for TCs is a TC decision. GCs cannot have a say in that.

No it isn’t! TCs are NOT a country to be in a position make such decisions. The official national guarantor is the CNG whether you like it or not.

GR, we cannot have the CNG; we must have a name change: CNA - Cyprus National Army. In many TCs eyes, the CNG has negative connotations.

[boulio]

your a t/c deniz what do you think:

deniz wrote:

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How do guarantees from Turkey make us an Independant Nation. EU role as guarantors might suffice. Dont you think?

We know the GCs will not accepts Turkeys role and we know TCs will not accept nothing less. What will we do? Wait for annexation, for I see no other result from this 'impasse'. Perhaps thats what the negotiators are negotiating for - Partition. Funny how the leaderws have the same ideas.


thats why i say a joint nato/eu force with cypriot(g/c and t/c)participation.

you can have a brigade size forces with 3,000 troops defending the island.

six battalions of 500 troops:
1 cypriot
1 greek
1 turkish
3euro/nato (american,canadian,french)

rotate the the commander of the force on yearly basis.

[denizaksulu]

Your words not mine "cypriot involvment

yeah dimwit it means joint g/c/t/c participation.you are cypriot arent you?

But of course I am a cypriot. I certainly endured the gurantee of the GC NG between 63 and 72. I can vouche for their allround crapness. You are trying to square the circle. Cannot be done.
You are going round and round in circles with this one. 99% of the TCs will not accept anything other than Turkish guarantee no matter how you dress it up, even part of nato which she already is. Even mentioning eu is a total waste of time. They can't guarantee themselves never mind anybody else.

How do guarantees from Turkey make us an Independant Nation. EU role as guarantors might suffice. Dont you think?

We know the GCs will not accepts Turkeys role and we know TCs will not accept nothing less. What will we do? Wait for annexation, for I see no other result from this 'impasse'. Perhaps thats what the negotiators are negotiating for - Partition. Funny how the leaderws have the same ideas.

The guarantee for TCs is a TC decision. GCs cannot have a say in that. Given time, TCs will trust GCs and not require it, but it is a TC decision as to when it is no longer required. GC's insistance of controling what TCs can or cannot have will lead to partition by default.
Partition may not be a bad thing so long as TRNC is allowed into EU in it's own right. Annexation with Turkey may not be a forgone conclusion. That rather depends on our GC cousins.

I understand your fears Yfred, but for the sake of a reconciliation, dont you think that the 'guarantorship' of the EU and / or UN and or Nato could be worked into a solution? I am trying to break a deadlock here. Its hard work you know!!!

Perhaps, even have NO army at all.

[denizaksulu]

your a t/c deniz what do you think:

deniz wrote:

Quote:
How do guarantees from Turkey make us an Independant Nation. EU role as guarantors might suffice. Dont you think?

We know the GCs will not accepts Turkeys role and we know TCs will not accept nothing less. What will we do? Wait for annexation, for I see no other result from this 'impasse'. Perhaps thats what the negotiators are negotiating for - Partition. Funny how the leaderws have the same ideas.


thats why i say a joint nato/eu force with cypriot(g/c and t/c)participation.

you can have a brigade size forces with 3,000 troops defending the island.

six battalions of 500 troops:
1 cypriot
1 greek
1 turkish
3euro/nato (american,canadian,french)

rotate the the commander of the force on yearly basis.

On reflection to my reply to GRs post re: CNG, I think Cyprus is better without an army. Cyprus is too small and letting GCs and TCs loose with guns and its anybody's guess what would happen. EU/UN?NATO would be worth considering.

[boulio]

On reflection to my reply to GRs post re: CNG, I think Cyprus is better without an army. Cyprus is too small and letting GCs and TCs loose with guns and its anybody's guess what would happen. EU/UN?NATO would be worth considering.

understand but i include cypriots(both g/c and t/c)in the equation so not to feel as a protectorate of one of those instituions.and i hope by having a mixed cypriot battalion to built trust and cooperation between the two communities.