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[boulio]

Your words not mine "cypriot involvment

yeah dimwit it means joint g/c/t/c participation.you are cypriot arent you?

[YFred]

Your words not mine "cypriot involvment

yeah dimwit it means joint g/c/t/c participation.you are cypriot arent you?

But of course I am a cypriot. I certainly endured the gurantee of the GC NG between 63 and 72. I can vouche for their allround crapness. You are trying to square the circle. Cannot be done.
You are going round and round in circles with this one. 99% of the TCs will not accept anything other than Turkish guarantee no matter how you dress it up, even part of nato which she already is. Even mentioning eu is a total waste of time. They can't guarantee themselves never mind anybody else.

[boulio]

as you can see from turkish articles The turkish army cant gurantee there own democracy let alone another.stop bring up 40 year old arguments focus on today and tommorow.As you can see again turkey cannot guranntee her own democracy so cyprus will not allow a all out turkish guranntee.they caan be part a of a joint security scheme but that is it.now move on.

[denizaksulu]

Your words not mine "cypriot involvment

yeah dimwit it means joint g/c/t/c participation.you are cypriot arent you?

But of course I am a cypriot. I certainly endured the gurantee of the GC NG between 63 and 72. I can vouche for their allround crapness. You are trying to square the circle. Cannot be done.
You are going round and round in circles with this one. 99% of the TCs will not accept anything other than Turkish guarantee no matter how you dress it up, even part of nato which she already is. Even mentioning eu is a total waste of time. They can't guarantee themselves never mind anybody else.

How do guarantees from Turkey make us an Independant Nation. EU role as guarantors might suffice. Dont you think?

We know the GCs will not accepts Turkeys role and we know TCs will not accept nothing less. What will we do? Wait for annexation, for I see no other result from this 'impasse'. Perhaps thats what the negotiators are negotiating for - Partition. Funny how the leaderws have the same ideas.

[YFred]

Your words not mine "cypriot involvment

yeah dimwit it means joint g/c/t/c participation.you are cypriot arent you?

But of course I am a cypriot. I certainly endured the gurantee of the GC NG between 63 and 72. I can vouche for their allround crapness. You are trying to square the circle. Cannot be done.
You are going round and round in circles with this one. 99% of the TCs will not accept anything other than Turkish guarantee no matter how you dress it up, even part of nato which she already is. Even mentioning eu is a total waste of time. They can't guarantee themselves never mind anybody else.

How do guarantees from Turkey make us an Independant Nation. EU role as guarantors might suffice. Dont you think?

We know the GCs will not accepts Turkeys role and we know TCs will not accept nothing less. What will we do? Wait for annexation, for I see no other result from this 'impasse'. Perhaps thats what the negotiators are negotiating for - Partition. Funny how the leaderws have the same ideas.

The guarantee for TCs is a TC decision. GCs cannot have a say in that. Given time, TCs will trust GCs and not require it, but it is a TC decision as to when it is no longer required. GC's insistance of controling what TCs can or cannot have will lead to partition by default.
Partition may not be a bad thing so long as TRNC is allowed into EU in it's own right. Annexation with Turkey may not be a forgone conclusion. That rather depends on our GC cousins.

[Get Real!]

The guarantee for TCs is a TC decision. GCs cannot have a say in that.

No it isn’t! TCs are NOT a country to be in a position make such decisions. The official national guarantor is the CNG whether you like it or not.

[Kikapu]

Your words not mine "cypriot involvment

yeah dimwit it means joint g/c/t/c participation.you are cypriot arent you?

But of course I am a cypriot. I certainly endured the gurantee of the GC NG between 63 and 72. I can vouche for their allround crapness. You are trying to square the circle. Cannot be done.
You are going round and round in circles with this one. 99% of the TCs will not accept anything other than Turkish guarantee no matter how you dress it up, even part of nato which she already is. Even mentioning eu is a total waste of time. They can't guarantee themselves never mind anybody else.

How do guarantees from Turkey make us an Independant Nation. EU role as guarantors might suffice. Dont you think?

We know the GCs will not accepts Turkeys role and we know TCs will not accept nothing less. What will we do? Wait for annexation, for I see no other result from this 'impasse'. Perhaps thats what the negotiators are negotiating for - Partition. Funny how the leaderws have the same ideas.

The guarantee for TCs is a TC decision. GCs cannot have a say in that. Given time, TCs will trust GCs and not require it, but it is a TC decision as to when it is no longer required. GC's insistance of controling what TCs can or cannot have will lead to partition by default.
Partition may not be a bad thing so long as TRNC is allowed into EU in it's own right. Annexation with Turkey may not be a forgone conclusion. That rather depends on our GC cousins.

[boulio]

deniz wrote:

How do guarantees from Turkey make us an Independant Nation. EU role as guarantors might suffice. Dont you think?

We know the GCs will not accepts Turkeys role and we know TCs will not accept nothing less. What will we do? Wait for annexation, for I see no other result from this 'impasse'. Perhaps thats what the negotiators are negotiating for - Partition. Funny how the leaderws have the same ideas.

thats why i say a joint nato/eu force with cypriot(g/c and t/c)participation.

you can have a brigade size forces with 3,000 troops defending the island.

six battalions of 500 troops:
1 cypriot
1 greek
1 turkish
3euro/nato (american,canadian,french)

rotate the the commander of the force on yearly basis.
1

[YFred]

The guarantee for TCs is a TC decision. GCs cannot have a say in that.

No it isn’t! TCs are NOT a country to be in a position make such decisions. The official national guarantor is the CNG whether you like it or not.

Keep up that mentality and it will be partition, old chap.

[YFred]

Your words not mine "cypriot involvment

yeah dimwit it means joint g/c/t/c participation.you are cypriot arent you?

But of course I am a cypriot. I certainly endured the gurantee of the GC NG between 63 and 72. I can vouche for their allround crapness. You are trying to square the circle. Cannot be done.
You are going round and round in circles with this one. 99% of the TCs will not accept anything other than Turkish guarantee no matter how you dress it up, even part of nato which she already is. Even mentioning eu is a total waste of time. They can't guarantee themselves never mind anybody else.

How do guarantees from Turkey make us an Independant Nation. EU role as guarantors might suffice. Dont you think?

We know the GCs will not accepts Turkeys role and we know TCs will not accept nothing less. What will we do? Wait for annexation, for I see no other result from this 'impasse'. Perhaps thats what the negotiators are negotiating for - Partition. Funny how the leaderws have the same ideas.

The guarantee for TCs is a TC decision. GCs cannot have a say in that. Given time, TCs will trust GCs and not require it, but it is a TC decision as to when it is no longer required. GC's insistance of controling what TCs can or cannot have will lead to partition by default.
Partition may not be a bad thing so long as TRNC is allowed into EU in it's own right. Annexation with Turkey may not be a forgone conclusion. That rather depends on our GC cousins.

All this prentend laugh will give you hernia one day, what?