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[fig head]

EWW this pic is disgusting.

cant believe my lungs culd look like that. gosh im happy that our skin cover what is on there man thats scary i honestly thinking about stopping smoking all sort of things and stop drinking who knows what does it do to your inside things !!

[cyprusgrump]

Just reading the first page tho...

This isn't a scientific study at all...

It is an estimate of the number of deaths from second-hand smoke based on an acceptance that it is actually harmful...

It seems to be an application of a formula to generate numbers...?

I'll read the whole thing...

Missing the point, I am afraid. You said that your link showed all the studies. I posted details of that one particular study to simply scotch that bold claim.

Either cigarette smoke is a carcinogen, or it isn't. If it is, then it is irrelevant whether it is first or second hand. It is harmful and I don't want to inhale it.

I want to find a solution that balances the rights of non-smokers like myself not to inhale this toxic substance with the right of other people to smoke. I do not see what is so unreasonable about this position.

But is isn't a scientific study, it is a formula based extrapolation of existing data...

It just assumes that ETS is harmful then calculates how many it will kill...

[cyprusgrump]

As I mentioned, there is no scientific evidence that second-hand smoke affects your health.

There is plenty of scientific evidence to show this - Miltiades has provided a link to one such study. You are in denial. Keep your flithy, disgusting, gut-wrenching, foul, toxic, cancerogenic cigarette smoke away from me and I am happy. Do and believe as you wish.

There isn't tho...

If you actually study the scientific evidence and not the propaganda put out by the anti smoking lobby (and faithfully reproduced in the media) you will see there is no evidence...

Follow this link. It provides a list of all of the passive smoking studies along with the results.

I'm not in denial - I don't even smoke!

If I may say so, you're getting a bit hysterical about it all...

However, nobody is trying to deny you the right to eat and drink in a smoke-free environment. All smokers want is the same democratic right applied to them...

SO YOU THINK THE ANTI SMOKING LOBBY SPENDS MONEY IN PROPAGANDA !!!
Why , people or organizations and governments spend money in order to promote an idea that is of interest to them , what exactly do you think the anti smoking lobby will gain ?

The anti-smoking lobby gets billions in cash from cigarette taxes... Fact.

The anti smoking lobby wants to ban cigarettes. Fact.

The anti smoking lobby is also in bed with big pharmaceutical companies that sell nicotine patches and gum. Fact.

The governments doesn't care if it gets its tax from cigarettes or big pharmaceutical companies. Fact.

That is why e-cigarette companies don't fund the anti-smoking lobby. in fact, the anti-smoking lobby has refused funding from e-cigarette companies.

[miltiades]

What is this shite ????

[cyprusgrump]

What is this shite ????

What is this shite? © Cyprusgrump 2005 - 2010

[paliometoxo]

EWW this pic is disgusting.

cant believe my lungs culd look like that. gosh im happy that our skin cover what is on there man thats scary i honestly thinking about stopping smoking all sort of things and stop drinking who knows what does it do to your inside things !!

i would hate to see a picture of my lungs and liver.. over the years what the drink does to our liver, we will need a new one by the time we are 30 :S

[cyprusgrump]

[...]
[Follow this link. It provides a list of allof the passive smoking studies along with the results.
[...]
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These are all of the studies mate, are they?

Funny, here's at least one they seem to have missed:

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/26/5/939.pdf

Non-Smoker Lung Cancer Deaths Attributable to Exposure to Spouse’s Environmental Tobacco Smoke

Jean Trédaniel, Paolo Boffetts, Radolf Saracci and Albert Hirsch

International Journal of Epidemology

It couldn't just be that you have provided a link to a pro-smoking web site which has cherry picked the studies they present. Surely you would,t stoop so low.

On your final point, I agree with you. I do not want to stop people who wish to do so from smoking. However, cigarette smoke is a proven carcinogen and I as a non-smoker strongly object to having to inhale other people's cigarette smoke. That is my red line. I feel very strongly about this. If you chose to label this hysteria, so be it.

I read it...

It's not an epidemiological study and it contains no new information. It is just one of many reviews to estimate deaths from passive smoking.

Interestingly, it's co-written by P. Boffetta who did the WHO's IARC study which found no statistical association between SHS and lung cancer. So he really should no better than to assume there is a risk of 1.3.

OK?

[Get Real!]

:( I was sooooooooo enjoying the smoke-free zones!

What all by yourself?

[Get Real!]

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[bill cobbett]

Would you scabby buggers stop going on about smoking. Am trying to cut down !!!!!

Feck it!! Going for another fag.