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[bill cobbett]

Just been reading that TCs were demonstrating calling for the Military to leave Northern Nicosia.

Gosh! Today? Any link?

[YFred]

Judge copper, thanks for your input, but I have to ask you this.

Do you seriously believe Turkey even cares for the TCS???

When;

1. They forced them to change their TC family names to main land turkish name
2. Banned the TC dielect on TV and Radio
3. Flooded them with Settlers and causing the loss of voice if the TCs
4. Creating conditions so that 1/3 of all TCs now had to leave due to poor conditions
5. Have them beg for their annual budget until they give something back in return

These are just a few. Does this sound like a country interested to the protection of the TCs or a country using the TCs to get her true ambitions (yet to be clarified)

TCs ake note, Turkeys care not for your well being, she is using you as an excuse for her own interests. Wake up before its too late.

You are so wrong about Turkey's intentions. Just sign the agreement and see them walk away. You can even insist to no Turkish soldiers, but Guarantee will stay. You will never have a better deal.

B25, the trouble with your list is that half of it is plain mistaken and the other half is ambiguous.
First, there has been no forcing of changes in family name. Second, there hasn't been a banning of TC dialect on TV and radio. Third, that there are many Turkish settlers is undeniable but it has not led to the loss of a TC voice. Whether a distinctive TC voice if effective is another matter. Fourth, that TCs have to leave because of poor condition is exactly the opposite of the most frequent criticism, namely that TCs are unduly supported and protected by Turkey and that TCs have it easy compared with Turks. Fifth, if only !!! What could TCs give back ???

Not forgetting the effect the embargo has had on TRNC. Really this is another re-writing of Cyprus history and the real responsibility of who has done what. Really B52 you should know better.

[bill cobbett]

Anyone want to have a go about giving a serious answer to this question?

Here's a boring reply.

What RoT gets out of northern Cyprus has changed. The reasons for the 74 interventions are not the same as the reasons for staying today. If even a week is a long time in politics then thirty six years is .... well a generation or two. Policy has changed.

Whatever else RoT may get today, it is not financial benefit since TRNC has always been a net drain. Is it geo-strategic advantage ? Not really since access by Turkish naval or air forces does not substantially improve (not to mention that neither have bases in the north). Migration benefits aren't even significant not least because RoT still supports TRNC per capita.

Whilst I don't countenance it, imo, RoT gets nothing out of it, but its continued presence is (i) a consequence of an old policy which the T leadership feel cannot be honourably discontinued, and (ii) maintained by the conviction that the reasons given for the original intervention, whether they are believed by RoT's critics or not - namely the protection of TCs - still apply.

Yes this "honour" business is all important, a word we've heard in many conflicts around the world over the years.

( ... but naturally fall in to the critical group referred to, which is another story ... and a very long one.)

It's interesting that earlier someone made reference to the UK and Falklands. Of recent times with oil and gas prospecting the Falklands may be a boon for the UK, but certainly back in 1982 99% of the UK population couldn't locate them on a map and successive governments couldn't care less about them. There's an idea that the British empire grew in "a fit of absent-mindedness", that's to say there was rarely any sound economic reason to acquire more territory but that somehow - a little local difficulties here, a upstart principality there, a disruptive coastal kingdom there - the result of the 'resolving' of small relatively isolated problems had the long term result of expanding the territory of the empire. Cyprus itself was never part of a grand strategic ambition of the British empire; nevertheless it ws acquired and turned,eventually into a Crown colony. Was Cyprus a net contributor to the imperial treasury ? No, never; but that didn't make it any easier for Britain to relinquish Cyprus. I suspect something similar for T.

Yes an accidental Empire in some ways, but maturing in to an Empire of Captive Markets for GB Manufactures, something which must be taken in to account in the profit/loss balance sheet. Anyway, once acquired, no matter how acquired, this Empire habit can be so hard to give up and one that has such long, long-lasting effects.

[Oracle]

Judge copper, thanks for your input, but I have to ask you this.

Do you seriously believe Turkey even cares for the TCS???

When;

1. They forced them to change their TC family names to main land turkish name
2. Banned the TC dielect on TV and Radio
3. Flooded them with Settlers and causing the loss of voice if the TCs
4. Creating conditions so that 1/3 of all TCs now had to leave due to poor conditions
5. Have them beg for their annual budget until they give something back in return

These are just a few. Does this sound like a country interested to the protection of the TCs or a country using the TCs to get her true ambitions (yet to be clarified)

TCs ake note, Turkeys care not for your well being, she is using you as an excuse for her own interests. Wake up before its too late.

You are so wrong about Turkey's intentions. Just sign the agreement and see them walk away. You can even insist to no Turkish soldiers, but Guarantee will stay. You will never have a better deal.

B25, the trouble with your list is that half of it is plain mistaken and the other half is ambiguous.
First, there has been no forcing of changes in family name. Second, there hasn't been a banning of TC dialect on TV and radio. Third, that there are many Turkish settlers is undeniable but it has not led to the loss of a TC voice. Whether a distinctive TC voice if effective is another matter. Fourth, that TCs have to leave because of poor condition is exactly the opposite of the most frequent criticism, namely that TCs are unduly supported and protected by Turkey and that TCs have it easy compared with Turks. Fifth, if only !!! What could TCs give back ???

The TCs (whatever that is) have nothing to give Turkey except an (illegitimate) excuse to hold on to Cyprus!

[DTA]

Judge copper, thanks for your input, but I have to ask you this.

Do you seriously believe Turkey even cares for the TCS???

When;

1. They forced them to change their TC family names to main land turkish name
2. Banned the TC dielect on TV and Radio
3. Flooded them with Settlers and causing the loss of voice if the TCs
4. Creating conditions so that 1/3 of all TCs now had to leave due to poor conditions
5. Have them beg for their annual budget until they give something back in return

These are just a few. Does this sound like a country interested to the protection of the TCs or a country using the TCs to get her true ambitions (yet to be clarified)

TCs ake note, Turkeys care not for your well being, she is using you as an excuse for her own interests. Wake up before its too late.

You are so wrong about Turkey's intentions. Just sign the agreement and see them walk away. You can even insist to no Turkish soldiers, but Guarantee will stay. You will never have a better deal.

B25, the trouble with your list is that half of it is plain mistaken and the other half is ambiguous.
First, there has been no forcing of changes in family name. Second, there hasn't been a banning of TC dialect on TV and radio. Third, that there are many Turkish settlers is undeniable but it has not led to the loss of a TC voice. Whether a distinctive TC voice if effective is another matter. Fourth, that TCs have to leave because of poor condition is exactly the opposite of the most frequent criticism, namely that TCs are unduly supported and protected by Turkey and that TCs have it easy compared with Turks. Fifth, if only !!! What could TCs give back ???

The TCs (whatever that is) have nothing to give Turkey except an (illegitimate) excuse to hold on to Cyprus!

And why do they want to 'hold' on to the north of cyprus? please try to give a sensible answer (I know you wont - but prove me wrong if you can)

[Oracle]

... And why do they want to 'hold' on to the north of cyprus? please try to give a sensible answer (I know you wont - but prove me wrong if you can)

About what?

[apc2010]

Dta as i said originally it is like the Falklands,politics , how could Turkey now pull out all the troops and aid without a backlash from their voters.

[Get Real!]

And why do they want to 'hold' on to the north of cyprus?

Why do thieves pinch other people’s property?

...please try to give a sensible answer (I know you wont - but prove me wrong if you can)

I think its time you revealed your age!

[apc2010]

More importantly to me... where is ..."Ok this is going to be conttroversial Pt. 2"...

[DTA]

... And why do they want to 'hold' on to the north of cyprus? please try to give a sensible answer (I know you wont - but prove me wrong if you can)

About what?

About giving a sensible answer.