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Postby Oracle » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:08 am

Don't forget to go back to those "minimal casualties" in 1974.
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Postby DTA » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:10 am

Get Real! wrote:
DTA wrote:Dude do you really think that the Turkish army, the army that has only lost a 1 on 1 nation war in the last 500 years with Russia (which they have also beat on occasion) would have any problems...

Ok, we'll go to this front and see how you fair!

The current year is 2010 minus 500 years... so anything after 1510 is fair game! :D

Hmm, how about the siege of Malta of 1565 where some 35,000 Ottomans aboard 110 odd ships were crashed by some 6,000 knights? :lol:


As you quote your self that is the Siege of Malta and not a war... a siege.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:12 am

DTA wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DTA wrote:Dude do you really think that the Turkish army, the army that has only lost a 1 on 1 nation war in the last 500 years with Russia (which they have also beat on occasion) would have any problems...

Ok, we'll go to this front and see how you fair!

The current year is 2010 minus 500 years... so anything after 1510 is fair game! :D

Hmm, how about the siege of Malta of 1565 where some 35,000 Ottomans aboard 110 odd ships were crashed by some 6,000 knights? :lol:


As you quote your self that is the Siege of Malta and not a war... a siege.


:shock: So none of these count??? :cry:

The siege of Malta of 1565.
The Holy League defeated the Ottomans at Lepanto (naval war) in 1571.
The Battle of Saint Gotthard 1664, against the Austrian Empire.
The Holy League defeated the Ottomans in the Battle of Vienna 1683.
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Postby DTA » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:12 am

Get Real! wrote:No, you don't like that one? :? How about this one...

The Holy League defeated the Ottomans at Lepanto (naval war) in 1571.

:lol:


The Holy League of 1571 was arranged by Pope St. Pius V and included almost all the major Catholic maritime states in the Mediterranean

Does that sound like a 1 on 1 war to you?
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:15 am

I'll tell you what... to save you the embarrassment because there are MANY Ottoman defeats and we're going to be up all morning (trust me) how about we go back to Turkey's easiest war ever! What do you say? :?
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Postby DTA » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:16 am

Get Real! wrote:
DTA wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DTA wrote:Dude do you really think that the Turkish army, the army that has only lost a 1 on 1 nation war in the last 500 years with Russia (which they have also beat on occasion) would have any problems...

Ok, we'll go to this front and see how you fair!

The current year is 2010 minus 500 years... so anything after 1510 is fair game! :D

Hmm, how about the siege of Malta of 1565 where some 35,000 Ottomans aboard 110 odd ships were crashed by some 6,000 knights? :lol:


As you quote your self that is the Siege of Malta and not a war... a siege.


:shock: So none of these count??? :cry:

The siege of Malta of 1565.
The Holy League defeated the Ottomans at Lepanto (naval war) in 1571.
The Battle of Saint Gotthard 1664, against the Austrian Empire.
The Holy League defeated the Ottomans in the Battle of Vienna 1683.


and as for the third on your list-

Austria,
Holy Roman Empire,
League of the Rhine,
France,
Piedmont,
Swabia,
Bavaria,
Brandenburg,
Saxony,
Baden,
Czech, Hungarian and Croatian soldiers

vs
Tatars
Ottoman Empire

like I said one on one nation battle, if you are trying to prove me wrong then stick to the criteria otherwise you just make yourself self look silly

anyway bedtime now, feel free to post more bollocks I will prove your wrong in the morning.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:17 am

Man, what are you doing so long… wanking? :?
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:20 am

DTA wrote:...anyway bedtime now, feel free to post more bollocks I will prove your wrong in the morning.

:D Ok... how about this one?

Immediately after the Turkish invasion the US Senate sent a team of investigators to Cyprus to write up a report on the consequences of the invasion which included a section titled “COSTS OF THE INVASION TO TURKEY”. An interesting portion of that section follows…

"Nearly 10% of Turkey's military force is now stationed on Cyprus, and there have been heavy logistical and support requirements. Civilian "technicians" and others have also gone to the island. Moreover, there were considerable losses during the invasion. According to responsible military sources in the field, the performance of Turkey's armed forces during the first phase of the invasion was very poor. Although Turkey apparently employed a basic plan its general staff had drafted and perfected over a period of several years, military observers say there was poor operational planning, inadequate communications, and a near total failure of joint operations among Turkish air, sea, and ground forces.

As a result, through tactical errors Turkey lost an estimated 15 aircraft during the invasion. It sank one of its own destroyers. Casualties were considered light, but included some 300 men killed and another 500 wounded. Had there been any substantial Greek Cypriot forces and tanks in the northern part of the island, casualties undoubtedly would have been considerably higher. One military observer suggested, for example, that because the Turkish airborne assault came at too high an altitude, a better organized and equipped Greek Cypriot army could have easily eliminated an entire Turkish airborne regiment swinging helplessly in the air.”


It couldn’t have been easier for Turkey in July 1974 as Cyprus at the time was THE cakewalk of cakewalks, and yet her invasion can only be described as a major military disaster!
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Postby 74LB » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:24 am

Get Real! wrote:
74LB wrote:In 2 days they advanced east and west, almost the whole width of the island . What would have stopped them going all the way?

And what do you suppose they would've done once they reached the SBAs? :lol:


Get Real! wrote::? I think they've all run away! :lol:


Believe it or not some are not up all day and all night posting on this or other forums.

Anyway, regards the SBA's. Nothing.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:33 am

74LB wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
74LB wrote:In 2 days they advanced east and west, almost the whole width of the island . What would have stopped them going all the way?

And what do you suppose they would've done once they reached the SBAs? :lol:


Get Real! wrote::? I think they've all run away! :lol:


Believe it or not some are not up all day and all night posting on this or other forums.

Anyway, regards the SBA's. Nothing.

Exactly! The British commander of the time, ordered that large union jacks be hoisted right around the perimeter of the SBAs! If that wasn’t a clear message to Turkey, I don’t know what was…
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