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Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:19 am

YFred wrote:Is there any doubt as to why she intervened in 74 and why she stayed and why she did not leave in 2004?
Really, is it that difficult to work out?

:? Because she thinks highly of you and the rest of the gypsies in Lourougina? 8)
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Postby YFred » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:21 am

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:Is there any doubt as to why she intervened in 74 and why she stayed and why she did not leave in 2004?
Really, is it that difficult to work out?

:? Because she thinks highly of you and the rest of the gypsies in Lourougina? 8)

Do your research properly, and see what the GC junta had in store for the TCs after they finished with the GC opposition, you illiterate shillo.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:26 am

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:Is there any doubt as to why she intervened in 74 and why she stayed and why she did not leave in 2004?
Really, is it that difficult to work out?

:? Because she thinks highly of you and the rest of the gypsies in Lourougina? 8)

Do your research properly, and see what the GC junta had in store for the TCs after they finished with the GC opposition, you illiterate shillo.

And where do you recommend I conduct that research... the Lourougina public library? Image
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:28 am

It's a difficult one for a normal mind to get to grips with, but if we put on the mind-set of the military dictatorship, hasn't it always been simple expansionism, simple self-aggrandisement by a military/fascist regime who don't need the "normal" justifications of grabbing wealth or getting wider regional influence. Certainly didn't have anything much to do with protecting tissies, given dozens and dozens were killed by the invading army and by the thought that invasion plans may have been drawn up as early as the early '60s.

If you have the "largest army in Nato", when it takes up so much of national wealth, when so many well paid careers depend on it, very tempting to use it.

Would also say a military regime needs its enemies to justify its privileged position, it needs its military adventures and invasions and occupations otherwise it has no reason to continue in existence. Put that together with the extremest sort of nationalism (one we are all familiar with) and think we get a little closer to an explanation.
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Postby YFred » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:29 am

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:Is there any doubt as to why she intervened in 74 and why she stayed and why she did not leave in 2004?
Really, is it that difficult to work out?

:? Because she thinks highly of you and the rest of the gypsies in Lourougina? 8)

Do your research properly, and see what the GC junta had in store for the TCs after they finished with the GC opposition, you illiterate shillo.

And where do you recommend I conduct that research... the Lourougina public library? Image

You could do worse. You still have not found which regiment lined up the tanks to flatten Lurucina with 4500 residents. Don't think for one moment I have forgotten.
I want Regiment Number and how many soldiers got wiped by the TAF.
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Postby 74LB » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:20 am

bill cobbett wrote:It's a difficult one for a normal mind to get to grips with, but if we put on the mind-set of the military dictatorship, hasn't it always been simple expansionism, simple self-aggrandisement by a military/fascist regime who don't need the "normal" justifications of grabbing wealth or getting wider regional influence. Certainly didn't have anything much to do with protecting tissies, given dozens and dozens were killed by the invading army and by the thought that invasion plans may have been drawn up as early as the early '60s.

If you have the "largest army in Nato", when it takes up so much of national wealth, when so many well paid careers depend on it, very tempting to use it.

Would also say a military regime needs its enemies to justify its privileged position, it needs its military adventures and invasions and occupations otherwise it has no reason to continue in existence. Put that together with the extremest sort of nationalism (one we are all familiar with) and think we get a little closer to an explanation.


But why Cyprus ? For a country that "needs its military adventures and invasions and occupations"why not expand into Greece, or Bulgaria, or Georgia, or Armenia, or Iraq, or Syria when you have the "largest army in NATO" ?
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Postby DTA » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:35 am

B25 wrote:In the first instance it is supposed to be for national security, the defend the soft under belly of Turkey.

If she has the north she effectively conrols the water way betweenthe two. Furthermore, it prevents Greece from getting too close to her.

Knowing her, she would probably put a toll both and charge shipping to cros too :lol:

Phase 2, once established on the island, move to be involved it is affars.

Phase 3, hopefully one day to completely control the whole island and its offshore hydrocarbons/oil.

Why else would she need to be here when she is only 40 miles away.

You're the Turk, you tell me.


Yes I am a turk but I dont get it, that is why I am asking for other opinions, the defense issue was accurate in the 70s but not today, the oil etc I dont buy it otherwise it would have invaded iraq in the 80s for the control of Mosul etc which is a guarenteed source of oil not like the seas around cyprus, completely control the whole island, if it wanted that then the would have done it in 74' so what?
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:44 am

74LB wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:It's a difficult one for a normal mind to get to grips with, but if we put on the mind-set of the military dictatorship, hasn't it always been simple expansionism, simple self-aggrandisement by a military/fascist regime who don't need the "normal" justifications of grabbing wealth or getting wider regional influence. Certainly didn't have anything much to do with protecting tissies, given dozens and dozens were killed by the invading army and by the thought that invasion plans may have been drawn up as early as the early '60s.

If you have the "largest army in Nato", when it takes up so much of national wealth, when so many well paid careers depend on it, very tempting to use it.

Would also say a military regime needs its enemies to justify its privileged position, it needs its military adventures and invasions and occupations otherwise it has no reason to continue in existence. Put that together with the extremest sort of nationalism (one we are all familiar with) and think we get a little closer to an explanation.


But why Cyprus ? For a country that "needs its military adventures and invasions and occupations"why not expand into Greece, or Bulgaria, or Georgia, or Armenia, or Iraq, or Syria when you have the "largest army in NATO" ?


Choose the easiest target, one with existing fifth-columnists to prepare the ground and provide believable justification for intervention.
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Postby aussieturk » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:47 am

Get Real! wrote:
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apc2010 wrote:The same as uk with the falklands


And what is that?

Fuck all...


You really think so. Great launching pad from Cyprus to the middle east. Another reason why the British won't let go their bases
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Postby 74LB » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:10 am

bill cobbett wrote:
74LB wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:It's a difficult one for a normal mind to get to grips with, but if we put on the mind-set of the military dictatorship, hasn't it always been simple expansionism, simple self-aggrandisement by a military/fascist regime who don't need the "normal" justifications of grabbing wealth or getting wider regional influence. Certainly didn't have anything much to do with protecting tissies, given dozens and dozens were killed by the invading army and by the thought that invasion plans may have been drawn up as early as the early '60s.

If you have the "largest army in Nato", when it takes up so much of national wealth, when so many well paid careers depend on it, very tempting to use it.

Would also say a military regime needs its enemies to justify its privileged position, it needs its military adventures and invasions and occupations otherwise it has no reason to continue in existence. Put that together with the extremest sort of nationalism (one we are all familiar with) and think we get a little closer to an explanation.


But why Cyprus ? For a country that "needs its military adventures and invasions and occupations"why not expand into Greece, or Bulgaria, or Georgia, or Armenia, or Iraq, or Syria when you have the "largest army in NATO" ?


Choose the easiest target, one with existing fifth-columnists to prepare the ground and provide believable justification for intervention.


Oh come on Bill, do you really believe that ?

For a country that, quote "needs its military adventures and invasions and occupations" and one with such a big army, why make the only excursion since the Republic was formed into little old Cyprus ? And if you do need these "military adventures and invasions and occupations" why not take the whole island ? And then move on to the Greek islands ? and then other countries on its borders ?
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