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[paliometoxo]

well whatever the outcome there will be lots of unhappy people.. but atm there are thousands of crossings every day tcs coming to south for jobs medical care learning greek or going to university.. i see the tc plates all over the place, they seem to feel fine coming to the south, many gcs go to the north, the only reason why i dont want to go alone is because i would get lost the signs would be hard to follow. but i and many other gc and tc have friends from the other side and get along just fine no problems and could easily live together.

Just the hard liners of both sides need to stop being idiots by not allowing a solution

[halil]

well whatever the outcome there will be lots of unhappy people.. but atm there are thousands of crossings every day tcs coming to south for jobs medical care learning greek or going to university.. i see the tc plates all over the place, they seem to feel fine coming to the south, many gcs go to the north, the only reason why i dont want to go alone is because i would get lost the signs would be hard to follow. but i and many other gc and tc have friends from the other side and get along just fine no problems and could easily live together.

Just the hard liners of both sides need to stop being idiots by not allowing a solution

Palio all above sayings are individuals actiones.It doesn't give us a clear view.What directiones we are going.Individuals benefits i can call it but still helps for future . here is the interesting report for u to read.

Major Challenges in the Cypriot context

1: Lack of high level interest: The small size of Cyprus and its centralised and far reaching political structures within both communities mean that major changes depend on high level interaction and decision-making. Politicians from both communities at different times have been unwilling to promote grassroots level dialogue, as well as to participate in meaningful high level talks.

2: Controversial role of the media and other opinion-forming resources: Cypriot society has been exposed to constant negative portrayals of the other community in the media, bias in the educational system, persistent political rhetoric that has embedded a set of beliefs, assumptions and behaviour that impede mutual understanding.

3: The issue of identity: The two communities place high importance to the issues of defining and maintaining their identity, driven by a fear of repetition of violent events that threatened their identity in the past (in 1963 for Turkish Cypriots and in 1974 for Greek Cypriots). Parallel to this, the diverging perceptions of oneself and of the other community, often make it difficult to enable people to see some of the other common
elements and shared needs and beliefs that would provide common ground during dialogue.

4: Imbalances between communities: Other differences between the two communities make dialogue difficult by affecting the priorities and perspectives that frame participants’approaches. These include the relative economic deprivation of the north, the accession of Cyprus to the EU and the international status (recognition) of the communities.

DIALOGUE IN CYPRUS
Helen Barnes with Christina Demetriades

[halil]

Recommendations for future steps
Creating the conditions for dialogue

1: Encourage and support mono-communal work: If each community can develop more open communication between grassroots and policymakers and a less positiondriven approach to decision making, these lessons will have a positive knock-on effect for inter-communal interaction. Mono-communal dialogue could also help address issues such as racial intolerance that need to be addressed effectively within each community but also have wider implications for bi-communal interaction.

2: Provide reliable sources of information to inform discussion: Cyprus appears to suffer from a lack of reliable information sources to inform discussion. Readily available unbiased information will provide the conditions for open public mono-communal and bicommunal
dialogue.Dialogue processes

3: Structure dialogue around concrete issues of relevance to both communities:
The opportunity for contact no longer provides much incentive for participation.Incentives can be generated by promoting dialogue on concrete issues affecting both communities.

4: Incorporate Greek and Turkish representatives in dialogue on the Cyprus Problem: The resolution of the Cyprus Problem will depend not only on Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots but also on Greece and Turkey, the ‘motherlands’ of the two communities to whom they have long felt attached. The involvement of Greek and Turkish individual participants is essential to expand Cypriot understanding of the positions, needs and emotional responses of the other communities involved.

rest of the report will be tomorrow.....

[Get Real!]

Recommendations for future steps
Creating the conditions for dialogue

1: Encourage and support mono-communal work: If each community can develop more open communication between grassroots and policymakers and a less positiondriven approach to decision making, these lessons will have a positive knock-on effect for inter-communal interaction. Mono-communal dialogue could also help address issues such as racial intolerance that need to be addressed effectively within each community but also have wider implications for bi-communal interaction.

2: Provide reliable sources of information to inform discussion: Cyprus appears to suffer from a lack of reliable information sources to inform discussion. Readily available unbiased information will provide the conditions for open public mono-communal and bicommunal
dialogue.Dialogue processes

3: Structure dialogue around concrete issues of relevance to both communities:
The opportunity for contact no longer provides much incentive for participation.Incentives can be generated by promoting dialogue on concrete issues affecting both communities.

4: Incorporate Greek and Turkish representatives in dialogue on the Cyprus Problem: The resolution of the Cyprus Problem will depend not only on Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots but also on Greece and Turkey, the ‘motherlands’ of the two communities to whom they have long felt attached. The involvement of Greek and Turkish individual participants is essential to expand Cypriot understanding of the positions, needs and emotional responses of the other communities involved.

rest of the report will be tomorrow.....

You're wasting your time. Unless GC land & properties are 100% returned, we’re not interested in any dialogues!

[YFred]

Recommendations for future steps
Creating the conditions for dialogue

1: Encourage and support mono-communal work: If each community can develop more open communication between grassroots and policymakers and a less positiondriven approach to decision making, these lessons will have a positive knock-on effect for inter-communal interaction. Mono-communal dialogue could also help address issues such as racial intolerance that need to be addressed effectively within each community but also have wider implications for bi-communal interaction.

2: Provide reliable sources of information to inform discussion: Cyprus appears to suffer from a lack of reliable information sources to inform discussion. Readily available unbiased information will provide the conditions for open public mono-communal and bicommunal
dialogue.Dialogue processes

3: Structure dialogue around concrete issues of relevance to both communities:
The opportunity for contact no longer provides much incentive for participation.Incentives can be generated by promoting dialogue on concrete issues affecting both communities.

4: Incorporate Greek and Turkish representatives in dialogue on the Cyprus Problem: The resolution of the Cyprus Problem will depend not only on Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots but also on Greece and Turkey, the ‘motherlands’ of the two communities to whom they have long felt attached. The involvement of Greek and Turkish individual participants is essential to expand Cypriot understanding of the positions, needs and emotional responses of the other communities involved.

rest of the report will be tomorrow.....

You're wasting your time. Unless GC land & properties are 100% returned, we’re not interested in any dialogues!

It's been said zillions of times before. All or nothing will lead to nothing.

[EricSeans]

I dont think turkey will attack again but why should we have to have turkey in cyprus forever? its not about being afraid of turkey attacking its the fact we dont want another country as a garantor power turkey greece or england or any other country. there is no real reason to have them here.

I am not telling u that u are wrong with your saying. It will take some time for it Palio. Everything depends how we are going to have respect to each other, how we are educating our kids, how we are preparing to them to live side by side, to communicate with each other, how we are clearing young people minds '' good turk is a death turk'' , ''Gavur '' , ''ottamans'' ''palikaryas'' etc.... etc......

Are the minds of both side are cleared for eachother ? as we have a saying ''when man mouth burns while he was drinking the milk, he eats his yogurt blowing on it ''

how we gonna get rid of it Palio. If we insisting on Turks and Greeks. yaa first we must start to learn how to speak to each other too as well.Than we can start with our kids. More activities between eachother,more friendship between our kids, more business activities between two communities, not the blame the others who are having good contact and relationships between eachother.

to build up bridges between to communities are very important once u achived it, yes u are right we don't need any of them. How both sides are willing to do? show me good signs of it .

I couldn't agree more.

[aga buyers action group]

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IS THERE AN ACTUAL LIST THAT CAN BE SEEN RATHER THAN HAVING TO PAY TO SEE ALI BABAS SH*T SHEET ?

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[Gasman]

Sensible points Halil.

As for whoever said 'it will take time'. It already has taken an inordinate length of time hasn't it?

As for 'no dialogues'. Well there are dialogues going on between both community leaders right now aren't there?

[Gasman]

There were ongoing problems after the Berlin Wall came down. Especially economic ones. But they've managed to come through it. Of course there are a minority in both East and West who will never be happy about the reunification, but I've just spent a holiday there and the place looks good and feels good.

[Get Real!]

Recommendations for future steps
Creating the conditions for dialogue

1: Encourage and support mono-communal work: If each community can develop more open communication between grassroots and policymakers and a less positiondriven approach to decision making, these lessons will have a positive knock-on effect for inter-communal interaction. Mono-communal dialogue could also help address issues such as racial intolerance that need to be addressed effectively within each community but also have wider implications for bi-communal interaction.

2: Provide reliable sources of information to inform discussion: Cyprus appears to suffer from a lack of reliable information sources to inform discussion. Readily available unbiased information will provide the conditions for open public mono-communal and bicommunal
dialogue.Dialogue processes

3: Structure dialogue around concrete issues of relevance to both communities:
The opportunity for contact no longer provides much incentive for participation.Incentives can be generated by promoting dialogue on concrete issues affecting both communities.

4: Incorporate Greek and Turkish representatives in dialogue on the Cyprus Problem: The resolution of the Cyprus Problem will depend not only on Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots but also on Greece and Turkey, the ‘motherlands’ of the two communities to whom they have long felt attached. The involvement of Greek and Turkish individual participants is essential to expand Cypriot understanding of the positions, needs and emotional responses of the other communities involved.

rest of the report will be tomorrow.....

You're wasting your time. Unless GC land & properties are 100% returned, we’re not interested in any dialogues!

It's been said zillions of times before. All or nothing will lead to nothing.

What you didn’t own you’ll never have and I want you OFF the island just for thinking you could!