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ATOL/ABTA and the "TRNC"

Postby Malapapa » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:03 am

Does ATOL (UK Air Travel Organisers' Licensing) and ABTA (UK Travel Association) cover tour operators to the self-styled ‘TRNC’ – that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus illegally invaded, occupied and settled by Turkey?

The vast majority of property in the ‘TRNC’ area, over which the Republic of Cyprus maintains legal jurisdiction, rightfully belongs to Cypriots displaced by Turkey’s invasion. This includes most holiday accommodation.

Following the recent high profile Orams case, holidaymakers to the ‘TRNC’ and their tour operators now face the real prospect of legal claims for trespass, and these claims are enforceable against them in the UK and throughout the EU.

The ATOL and ABTA names lend considerable credibility to tour operators and the holidays they offer. I would have thought neither ATOL nor ABTA would want their good names associated with operators selling holidays that can unwittingly land the public in expensive foreign litigation.

What do others think?

ATOL
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=27
[email protected]

ABTA
http://www.abta.com/contact-us
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Re: ATOL/ABTA and the "TRNC"

Postby YFred » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:20 am

Malapapa wrote:Does ATOL (UK Air Travel Organisers' Licensing) and ABTA (UK Travel Association) cover tour operators to the self-styled ‘TRNC’ – that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus illegally invaded, occupied and settled by Turkey?

The vast majority of property in the ‘TRNC’ area, over which the Republic of Cyprus maintains legal jurisdiction, rightfully belongs to Cypriots displaced by Turkey’s invasion. This includes most holiday accommodation.

Following the recent high profile Orams case, holidaymakers to the ‘TRNC’ and their tour operators now face the real prospect of legal claims for trespass, and these claims are enforceable against them in the UK and throughout the EU.

The ATOL and ABTA names lend considerable credibility to tour operators and the holidays they offer. I would have thought neither ATOL nor ABTA would want their good names associated with operators selling holidays that can unwittingly land the public in expensive foreign litigation.

What do others think?

ATOL
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=27
[email protected]

ABTA
http://www.abta.com/contact-us

You do yourselves no favour with just thinking about this never mind taking action. You are driving the TCs towards Turkey. Don't ever say you haven't been warned.
If your intentions are to starve the TCs to submission, it will not work. You will lose 37.5% of cyprus if not more. :wink:
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Re: ATOL/ABTA and the "TRNC"

Postby DT. » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:36 am

YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:Does ATOL (UK Air Travel Organisers' Licensing) and ABTA (UK Travel Association) cover tour operators to the self-styled ‘TRNC’ – that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus illegally invaded, occupied and settled by Turkey?

The vast majority of property in the ‘TRNC’ area, over which the Republic of Cyprus maintains legal jurisdiction, rightfully belongs to Cypriots displaced by Turkey’s invasion. This includes most holiday accommodation.

Following the recent high profile Orams case, holidaymakers to the ‘TRNC’ and their tour operators now face the real prospect of legal claims for trespass, and these claims are enforceable against them in the UK and throughout the EU.

The ATOL and ABTA names lend considerable credibility to tour operators and the holidays they offer. I would have thought neither ATOL nor ABTA would want their good names associated with operators selling holidays that can unwittingly land the public in expensive foreign litigation.

What do others think?

ATOL
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=27
[email protected]

ABTA
http://www.abta.com/contact-us

You do yourselves no favour with just thinking about this never mind taking action. You are driving the TCs towards Turkey. Don't ever say you haven't been warned.
If your intentions are to starve the TCs to submission, it will not work. You will lose 37.5% of cyprus if not more. :wink:


I'd steer clear of percentages and decimal points if I were you. :lol:
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Re: ATOL/ABTA and the "TRNC"

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:38 am

YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:Does ATOL (UK Air Travel Organisers' Licensing) and ABTA (UK Travel Association) cover tour operators to the self-styled ‘TRNC’ – that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus illegally invaded, occupied and settled by Turkey?

The vast majority of property in the ‘TRNC’ area, over which the Republic of Cyprus maintains legal jurisdiction, rightfully belongs to Cypriots displaced by Turkey’s invasion. This includes most holiday accommodation.

Following the recent high profile Orams case, holidaymakers to the ‘TRNC’ and their tour operators now face the real prospect of legal claims for trespass, and these claims are enforceable against them in the UK and throughout the EU.

The ATOL and ABTA names lend considerable credibility to tour operators and the holidays they offer. I would have thought neither ATOL nor ABTA would want their good names associated with operators selling holidays that can unwittingly land the public in expensive foreign litigation.

What do others think?

ATOL
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=27
[email protected]

ABTA
http://www.abta.com/contact-us

You do yourselves no favour with just thinking about this never mind taking action. You are driving the TCs towards Turkey. Don't ever say you haven't been warned.
If your intentions are to starve the TCs to submission, it will not work. You will lose 37.5% of cyprus if not more. :wink:


I agree with you there. Testing the validity of exchange title in the international courts - and especially sales to foreign nationals based on such title - is one thing, but to engage in what will be perceived as economic warfare is another matter entirely.
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Re: ATOL/ABTA and the "TRNC"

Postby boomerang » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:39 am

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:Does ATOL (UK Air Travel Organisers' Licensing) and ABTA (UK Travel Association) cover tour operators to the self-styled ‘TRNC’ – that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus illegally invaded, occupied and settled by Turkey?

The vast majority of property in the ‘TRNC’ area, over which the Republic of Cyprus maintains legal jurisdiction, rightfully belongs to Cypriots displaced by Turkey’s invasion. This includes most holiday accommodation.

Following the recent high profile Orams case, holidaymakers to the ‘TRNC’ and their tour operators now face the real prospect of legal claims for trespass, and these claims are enforceable against them in the UK and throughout the EU.

The ATOL and ABTA names lend considerable credibility to tour operators and the holidays they offer. I would have thought neither ATOL nor ABTA would want their good names associated with operators selling holidays that can unwittingly land the public in expensive foreign litigation.

What do others think?

ATOL
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=27
[email protected]

ABTA
http://www.abta.com/contact-us

You do yourselves no favour with just thinking about this never mind taking action. You are driving the TCs towards Turkey. Don't ever say you haven't been warned.
If your intentions are to starve the TCs to submission, it will not work. You will lose 37.5% of cyprus if not more. :wink:


I'd steer clear of percentages and decimal points if I were you. :lol:


why?... :lol:
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Re: ATOL/ABTA and the "TRNC"

Postby Malapapa » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:42 am

YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:Does ATOL (UK Air Travel Organisers' Licensing) and ABTA (UK Travel Association) cover tour operators to the self-styled ‘TRNC’ – that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus illegally invaded, occupied and settled by Turkey?

The vast majority of property in the ‘TRNC’ area, over which the Republic of Cyprus maintains legal jurisdiction, rightfully belongs to Cypriots displaced by Turkey’s invasion. This includes most holiday accommodation.

Following the recent high profile Orams case, holidaymakers to the ‘TRNC’ and their tour operators now face the real prospect of legal claims for trespass, and these claims are enforceable against them in the UK and throughout the EU.

The ATOL and ABTA names lend considerable credibility to tour operators and the holidays they offer. I would have thought neither ATOL nor ABTA would want their good names associated with operators selling holidays that can unwittingly land the public in expensive foreign litigation.

What do others think?

ATOL
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=27
[email protected]

ABTA
http://www.abta.com/contact-us

You do yourselves no favour with just thinking about this never mind taking action. You are driving the TCs towards Turkey. Don't ever say you haven't been warned.
If your intentions are to starve the TCs to submission, it will not work. You will lose 37.5% of cyprus if not more. :wink:


In case you hadn't realised, YFred. This is war. If you are an innocent civilian get yourself out of the firing line. But if you side with the invader and the outlaws then you are a legitimate target. Don't ever say you haven't been warned.
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Re: ATOL/ABTA and the "TRNC"

Postby DT. » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:43 am

boomerang wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:Does ATOL (UK Air Travel Organisers' Licensing) and ABTA (UK Travel Association) cover tour operators to the self-styled ‘TRNC’ – that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus illegally invaded, occupied and settled by Turkey?

The vast majority of property in the ‘TRNC’ area, over which the Republic of Cyprus maintains legal jurisdiction, rightfully belongs to Cypriots displaced by Turkey’s invasion. This includes most holiday accommodation.

Following the recent high profile Orams case, holidaymakers to the ‘TRNC’ and their tour operators now face the real prospect of legal claims for trespass, and these claims are enforceable against them in the UK and throughout the EU.

The ATOL and ABTA names lend considerable credibility to tour operators and the holidays they offer. I would have thought neither ATOL nor ABTA would want their good names associated with operators selling holidays that can unwittingly land the public in expensive foreign litigation.

What do others think?

ATOL
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=27
[email protected]

ABTA
http://www.abta.com/contact-us

You do yourselves no favour with just thinking about this never mind taking action. You are driving the TCs towards Turkey. Don't ever say you haven't been warned.
If your intentions are to starve the TCs to submission, it will not work. You will lose 37.5% of cyprus if not more. :wink:


I'd steer clear of percentages and decimal points if I were you. :lol:


why?... :lol:


Yfred's 2.5% fiasco. You don't know it? Wanna see it? :D
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Re: ATOL/ABTA and the "TRNC"

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:45 am

Malapapa wrote:In case you hadn't realised, YFred. This is war. If you are an innocent civilian get yourself out of the firing line. But if you side with the invader and the outlaws then you are a legitimate target. Don't ever say you haven't been warned.


According to Iceman - remember him - the facility on Limassol sea front known as the 'Kyrenia Sailing Club', which is used by foreign tourists, has been built without the owner's permission on Turkish Cypriot land. Remember that the law of necessity works in both directions.
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Re: ATOL/ABTA and the "TRNC"

Postby boomerang » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:46 am

DT. wrote:
boomerang wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:Does ATOL (UK Air Travel Organisers' Licensing) and ABTA (UK Travel Association) cover tour operators to the self-styled ‘TRNC’ – that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus illegally invaded, occupied and settled by Turkey?

The vast majority of property in the ‘TRNC’ area, over which the Republic of Cyprus maintains legal jurisdiction, rightfully belongs to Cypriots displaced by Turkey’s invasion. This includes most holiday accommodation.

Following the recent high profile Orams case, holidaymakers to the ‘TRNC’ and their tour operators now face the real prospect of legal claims for trespass, and these claims are enforceable against them in the UK and throughout the EU.

The ATOL and ABTA names lend considerable credibility to tour operators and the holidays they offer. I would have thought neither ATOL nor ABTA would want their good names associated with operators selling holidays that can unwittingly land the public in expensive foreign litigation.

What do others think?

ATOL
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=27
[email protected]

ABTA
http://www.abta.com/contact-us

You do yourselves no favour with just thinking about this never mind taking action. You are driving the TCs towards Turkey. Don't ever say you haven't been warned.
If your intentions are to starve the TCs to submission, it will not work. You will lose 37.5% of cyprus if not more. :wink:


I'd steer clear of percentages and decimal points if I were you. :lol:


why?... :lol:


Yfred's 2.5% fiasco. You don't know it? Wanna see it? :D


yeah its been a tough day...i need cheering up... :lol:
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Re: ATOL/ABTA and the "TRNC"

Postby DT. » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:53 am

boomerang wrote:
DT. wrote:
boomerang wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:Does ATOL (UK Air Travel Organisers' Licensing) and ABTA (UK Travel Association) cover tour operators to the self-styled ‘TRNC’ – that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus illegally invaded, occupied and settled by Turkey?

The vast majority of property in the ‘TRNC’ area, over which the Republic of Cyprus maintains legal jurisdiction, rightfully belongs to Cypriots displaced by Turkey’s invasion. This includes most holiday accommodation.

Following the recent high profile Orams case, holidaymakers to the ‘TRNC’ and their tour operators now face the real prospect of legal claims for trespass, and these claims are enforceable against them in the UK and throughout the EU.

The ATOL and ABTA names lend considerable credibility to tour operators and the holidays they offer. I would have thought neither ATOL nor ABTA would want their good names associated with operators selling holidays that can unwittingly land the public in expensive foreign litigation.

What do others think?

ATOL
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=27
[email protected]

ABTA
http://www.abta.com/contact-us

You do yourselves no favour with just thinking about this never mind taking action. You are driving the TCs towards Turkey. Don't ever say you haven't been warned.
If your intentions are to starve the TCs to submission, it will not work. You will lose 37.5% of cyprus if not more. :wink:


I'd steer clear of percentages and decimal points if I were you. :lol:


why?... :lol:


Yfred's 2.5% fiasco. You don't know it? Wanna see it? :D


yeah its been a tough day...i need cheering up... :lol:


here you go mate

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... s&start=50
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