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[erolz3]

Rolling over and allowing their destiny to be controlled by an occupying foreign power is something no self-respecting Scot would ever do.

And TC rolling over and acceding to and acepting enosis, allowing their desitny to be controlled by what to them was clearly a foreign power would, in your fine opinion Eric, have represented what? Self respect ?

[EricSeans]

Rolling over and allowing their destiny to be controlled by an occupying foreign power is something no self-respecting Scot would ever do.

And TC rolling over and acceding to and acepting enosis, allowing their desitny to be controlled by what to them was clearly a foreign power would, in your fine opinion Eric, have represented what? Self respect ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but enosis as a serious concept has been dead for more than 35 years. Are you seriously using this as an excuse for avoiding reconciliation? I should have included living in the past and nursing grudges as another barrier to settlement.

[erolz3]

Rolling over and allowing their destiny to be controlled by an occupying foreign power is something no self-respecting Scot would ever do.

And TC rolling over and acceding to and acepting enosis, allowing their desitny to be controlled by what to them was clearly a foreign power would, in your fine opinion Eric, have represented what? Self respect ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but enosis as a serious concept has been dead for more than 35 years. Are you seriously using this as an excuse for avoiding reconciliation? I should have included living in the past and nursing grudges as another barrier to settlement.

What I am asking you Eric is that if you consider that TC today rolling over and accepting Turkeys control over their lives is indicative of a lack of self respect, then what would have (see the past tense?) TC rolling over and accepting enosis have been inidcative of THEN - back in 1960.

It a simple question that no doubt you will continue to avoid, instead prefering to impute to me things that I have not said and do not beleive, like enosis today is a reason to avoid reconcillation.

[Me Ed]

Rolling over and allowing their destiny to be controlled by an occupying foreign power is something no self-respecting Scot would ever do.

And TC rolling over and acceding to and acepting enosis, allowing their desitny to be controlled by what to them was clearly a foreign power would, in your fine opinion Eric, have represented what? Self respect ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but enosis as a serious concept has been dead for more than 35 years. Are you seriously using this as an excuse for avoiding reconciliation? I should have included living in the past and nursing grudges as another barrier to settlement.

What I am asking you Eric is that if you consider that TC today rolling over and accepting Turkeys control over their lives is indicative of a lack of self respect, then what would have (see the past tense?) TC rolling over and accepting enosis have been inidcative of THEN - back in 1960.

It a simple question that no doubt you will continue to avoid, instead prefering to impute to me things that I have not said and do not beleive, like enosis today is a reason to avoid reconcillation.

Having no respect for the wishes of the vast majority does still does not give you the right to seize their land - the whole world (with the obvious exceptions) agrees with this.

[erolz3]

Having no respect for the wishes of the vast majority does still does not give you the right to seize their land - the whole world (with the obvious exceptions) agrees with this.

No where have I ever said that we have a right to sieze land.

What I HAVE said and continue to say , is that if we are to find a solution to the injustices in Cyprus of which GC loss of land and rights to freely live in the north post 74 is one, we HAVE to look at ALL injustices and percieved injustices including those the pre dated 74. If we simply say anything that was stolen from TC, or that TC believe was stolen from them like their legal rights under the 60's agreements is in the past and must be forgetten and given up but everything that was lost by GC after 74 must be returned then we can get no where.

[Talisker]

However, I'm happy to engage with your riddles.

I do not think you will answer my question and certainly from my perspective your 'engagment' with it thus far is no answer and I am not going to keep trying.

If you asked the question 'What is two plus four?' and received the answer 'Six' you would then say 'But you are avoiding answering, what is four plus two?'.

[Malapapa]

However as far as GC chose to act in ways that divides and seperates us as a unitary people we have the the SAME and EQUAL rights as a people that they act and define us as seperate from.

He can't he just like to talk gobbledigook in the hope it makes him sound important and win brownie points from his TCs.

All his posts are just trash and word play. They guy cannot even answer a yes/no reply without a ar and peace response. Sorry Elroz, but you just overplay it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic

Apparently, Mr Logic was based on the cartoonist's brother, who had Asperger syndrome. I wonder whether you have a mild form, erolz.

[boomerang]

so what do you think the minority should do in the event this becoming law?...accept the government desicion peacefully or take up arms against the state?...

IF it were to become law then I think all right minded people in france, should protest and object and resist it by all lawful means or even civil disobedience if they feel strongly enough.

However if they were to take the issue to say the french supreme court and it ruled in their favour and the president said, nah not gona abide by that AND if the government itself was using armed illegal thugs to kill and create fear in those opposed to it, then if they were themselves to take up arms, whilst I personaly would not support such, I certainly would understand it.

Also let me say that for me at least this is not an issue that divides people solely based on some unchanging and unchangeable charateristic and thus seperates them as a unitary people by doing so. I think it is a question of conscience first and foremost. I would stand with those seeking to oppose it by legal means not because I want to wear a burkha, or becuase of any ethincity but simply because I think it is wrong. I have no doubt many french citizens that have no desirte to wear the burka and regardless of thier back ground oppose such a law. I also would not be entirely surprised if there was some support from muslim french citizens for the law though I do not know if this is the case an if so to what extent.

if hypothetically it went to a ref and the burkha is outlawed by the majority, then the people will be divided...

what would the minority's stand be?...either accept it or fight it...what do you think?...should in this case the majority rule apply?...or minority fights it?...

erol

[Oracle]

However as far as GC chose to act in ways that divides and seperates us as a unitary people we have the the SAME and EQUAL rights as a people that they act and define us as seperate from.

He can't he just like to talk gobbledigook in the hope it makes him sound important and win brownie points from his TCs.

All his posts are just trash and word play. They guy cannot even answer a yes/no reply without a ar and peace response. Sorry Elroz, but you just overplay it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic

Apparently, Mr Logic was based on the cartoonist's brother, who had Asperger syndrome. I wonder whether you have a mild form, erolz.

No erolz does NOT

But, there are a few who definitely do. I've accused CopperLine before. Gasman might be another candidate.