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[boomerang]

here is a spanner in the works...how about a government banning the burka either via a ref or a government decision erol?...

I personaly totaly object to the idea of the state doing such by any means and totaly independant of any arguments about religious freedom either. To me it is not the states business to regulate what I,or anyone else, can and can not wear. Dont care if its a burka, hoodie, mankini or a full rubber suit, its none of the states business in my humble opinion.

you might prsonally object to it but...

Women who wear burkas in France face £700 fine...this will be debated

MPs will vote on the proposal this month after a long impassioned debate over the merits of outlawing the burka and niqab.

Jean-François Copé, parliamentary leader of President Nicolas Sarkozy's UMP group, said the 750 euro fine would apply to anyone whose face is "fully covered in public".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/6946579/Women-who-wear-burkas-in-France-face-700-fine.html

so what do you think the minority should do in the event this becoming law?...accept the government desicion peacefully or take up arms against the state?...

[aussieturk]

The TCs expect just that.

Rubbish, all the TC's want is to be treated equally and to feel safe and not threatened as they were in the past.

[aussieturk]

I am a Scot living in England. Do I expect special privileges for my minority status? NO!

The party I vote for NEVER wins the general election. Do I expect a system which gives this minority party disproportionate power and privilege? NO!

I support a football team that NEVER wins a single trophy. Do I expect the other teams to step aside so 'my' team can have its moment of glory? NO!

Anyone out there that truly believes they should receive special privileges for their minority status?

You have your osn state currency sports teams parliament we want the same.

They didn't get their our state by ethnically cleansing others and stealing their lands. Their state belongs to them.

It was either the TC's or the GC's and guess what happened

[aussieturk]

you can't really be serious... first of all there is no way you could sustain a viable state at the north... just look at how much money turkey is sending you each year to stop your economy form collapsing, secondly just because you want doesn;t mean you are entitled too

Why not if the state is internationally recognized.

Of Course its not now so it is forced to survive economically with Turkey's help

[aussieturk]

Did they fight with the English?

Who, the Jocks? You're not serious are you?

Mmm ... An Aussie fighting for Scotland against the English.

Technically he is American - born there, but we adopted him as an Aussie

[erolz3]

so what do you think the minority should do in the event this becoming law?...accept the government desicion peacefully or take up arms against the state?...

IF it were to become law then I think all right minded people in france, should protest and object and resist it by all lawful means or even civil disobedience if they feel strongly enough.

However if they were to take the issue to say the french supreme court and it ruled in their favour and the president said, nah not gona abide by that AND if the government itself was using armed illegal thugs to kill and create fear in those opposed to it, then if they were themselves to take up arms, whilst I personaly would not support such, I certainly would understand it.

Also let me say that for me at least this is not an issue that divides people solely based on some unchanging and unchangeable charateristic and thus seperates them as a unitary people by doing so. I think it is a question of conscience first and foremost. I would stand with those seeking to oppose it by legal means not because I want to wear a burkha, or becuase of any ethincity but simply because I think it is wrong. I have no doubt many french citizens that have no desirte to wear the burka and regardless of thier back ground oppose such a law. I also would not be entirely surprised if there was some support from muslim french citizens for the law though I do not know if this is the case an if so to what extent.

[boomerang]

so what do you think the minority should do in the event this becoming law?...accept the government desicion peacefully or take up arms against the state?...

IF it were to become law then I think all right minded people in france, should protest and object and resist it by all lawful means or even civil disobedience if they feel strongly enough.

However if they were to take the issue to say the french supreme court and it ruled in their favour and the president said, nah not gona abide by that AND if the government itself was using armed illegal thugs to kill and create fear in those opposed to it, then if they were themselves to take up arms, whilst I personaly would not support such, I certainly would understand it.

Also let me say that for me at least this is not an issue that divides people solely based on some unchanging and unchangeable charateristic and thus seperates them as a unitary people by doing so. I think it is a question of conscience first and foremost. I would stand with those seeking to oppose it by legal means not because I want to wear a burkha, or becuase of any ethincity but simply because I think it is wrong. I have no doubt many french citizens that have no desirte to wear the burka and regardless of thier back ground oppose such a law. I also would not be entirely surprised if there was some support from muslim french citizens for the law though I do not know if this is the case an if so to what extent.

if hypothetically it went to a ref and the burkha is outlawed by the majority, then the people will be divided...

what would the minority's stand be?...either accept it or fight it...what do you think?...should in this case the majority rule apply?...or minority fights it?...

[Piratis]

However if they were to take the issue to say the french supreme court and it ruled in their favour and the president said, nah not gona abide by that

If the french supreme court was part of a system imposed on France by foreign invaders with some foreign judge taking the decisions, then I am sure that most French people would say " nah not gona abide by that", and they would be perfectly justified to do so.

if the government itself was using armed illegal thugs to kill and create fear in those opposed to it

In Cyprus the armed and illegal thugs who started the killings were TCs. GCs only responded accordingly.

Regarding the burkha, the question is if wearing a burkha is a human right or not. If it is then it should be allowed. If it is not, then the French people have the right to decide if they want to allow it or not and everybody has to respect the decision even if they disagree with it.

Personally I believe that every person has the right to dress as he/she wants but always within the limits of the society that they exist. Just as wearing too few clothes (or nothing at all) can be considered unacceptable in most places, wearing too much could also be considered unacceptable in some other.

I am not French so I don't want to force my own beliefs on the French people. If I ever decided to move and make my home there, I would first make sure that I like the French and their culture and I would try to learn the language and the customs of the locals and try to integrate. If I didn't like them then I would simply stay with my own kind of people who we share the same kind of culture and values.

[EricSeans]

However as far as GC chose to act in ways that divides and seperates us as a unitary people we have the the SAME and EQUAL rights as a people that they act and define us as seperate from.

He can't he just like to talk gobbledigook in the hope it makes him sound important and win brownie points from his TCs.

All his posts are just trash and word play. They guy cannot even answer a yes/no reply without a ar and peace response. Sorry Elroz, but you just overplay it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic

[EricSeans]

Talisker you still have no answerd my question.

Do you believe that 'ethnic' english, have the right to impose something that only they want , and the reason only they want it is because they see themselves as 'different' from non 'ethnic british' people on people they define as 'not ethnic english' against this other group that universaly opposes it, all as a valid and legitimate expression of the will of a UNITARY BRITISH people to determine their own future ?

If you don't join the party you'll always be on the outside waving oversized flags and nursing massive insecurity complexes, living off a victim and blame culture and playing no real part in the future of your homeland. Rolling over and allowing their destiny to be controlled by an occupying foreign power is something no self-respecting Scot would ever do.