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[BirKibrisli]

bir with the annan plan that bananiot and you supported not only the 37% would have become a province of turkey but the rest of the 63%... thats the problem...on top of that guarantees come at a price...and the price is control...i am very surpriced you do not see this...or you think turkey came to save the tcs...

the best we should be aiming for is a federation like in OZ, with democracy, human rights and the rule of law...sure it will be hard at the start, but with perseverance i can see it working...nothing was build in a day and nothing will...

insisting on this and that, what i do see is the 37% dissapearing to turkey, with the 67% progressing...

the solution is with the tcs...they have the key...

What makes you think under Annan Plan all of Cyprus would come under Turkish control...??? Please explain...

what about the rest of the post bir?

have you read the annan plan by any chance?...better still have you understood it?...it was a confedaration plan made to suit ankara...not only turkey having a say in the north but the south as well...

here is one for you bir...do you actually think turkey will cease dictating the tcs what to or what not to do?...or you think turkey spend billions on the occupied so one day the tcs can tell them to get out...

I want you to explain to me first,what aspect of the Annan plan would bring the South under Turkey's control??? It sounds as if you are the one who hasnt read it,boomers....Come clean and admit it...You are just repeating the words of Greek nationalists..

[BirKibrisli]

Thank you,my psychoanalysis is spot on...You have either imbibed the trauma from your parents,or you are a raving,murderous psychopath...The choice is yours...

What the hell is embedded trauma? I'm just pissed that I don't have a frekin homeland to go to, that's how I feel. I remember as a kid I was brought up with constant notions that the TRNC is where my roots are and that the RoC doesn't represent us. After coming back some people also treat me like a foreigner even though I was born here. It just feels weird, I don't know what to call it.

Imbibed (I hope I am spelling it right!) is what you get from your parents without conscious effort...This is how I see it Umit...Your roots are in Cyprus...Not in the political entities engaged in bloody feud,but in the country itself...Australia is your country of birth,but not where you feel you belong...Others pick up on that and treat you like a foreigner...I am luckier. I came to Australia 41 years ago,I was a foreigner then and I am a foreigner now...No internal conflict there...

[boomerang]

bir with the annan plan that bananiot and you supported not only the 37% would have become a province of turkey but the rest of the 63%... thats the problem...on top of that guarantees come at a price...and the price is control...i am very surpriced you do not see this...or you think turkey came to save the tcs...

the best we should be aiming for is a federation like in OZ, with democracy, human rights and the rule of law...sure it will be hard at the start, but with perseverance i can see it working...nothing was build in a day and nothing will...

insisting on this and that, what i do see is the 37% dissapearing to turkey, with the 67% progressing...

the solution is with the tcs...they have the key...

What makes you think under Annan Plan all of Cyprus would come under Turkish control...??? Please explain...

what about the rest of the post bir?

have you read the annan plan by any chance?...better still have you understood it?...it was a confedaration plan made to suit ankara...not only turkey having a say in the north but the south as well...

here is one for you bir...do you actually think turkey will cease dictating the tcs what to or what not to do?...or you think turkey spend billions on the occupied so one day the tcs can tell them to get out...

I want you to explain to me first,what aspect of the Annan plan would bring the South under Turkey's control??? It sounds as if you are the one who hasnt read it,boomers....Come clean and admit it...You are just repeating the words of Greek nationalists..

here you bir, just a few

The Plan did not include a settlement regarding the repatriation of Turkish settlers living on Greek Cypriot owned land in the 'Northern Cyprus', while after 19 years, the possibility of abolishing the derogation of 5% of Greeks and Turkish citizens who could settle in Cyprus, is obvious, and the danger of a permanent mass settling of Cyprus by Turkey is visible.

Nearly all the Turkish settlers would be granted citizenship or residence rights leading to citizenship. The central government would have limited control towards future Turkish Immigration. Those settlers opting to return to Turkey would be compensated by Cyprus and Greek Cypriots. Even though Turkey systematically brought in the settlers to alter the demography of the island, it had no responsibility for their Repatriation

Cyprus would be excluded from the European Common Defense and Foreign Policy, while Turkish troops would remain in Cyprus even after the accession of Turkey to the EU with intervention rights (a military invasion - occasionally used euphemistically) in the Greek Cypriot component state.

and lets not talk about the continental shelf carved between turksy and the uk...

i could go on, but i think you got the point...i also recommend you read the 2 preambles of the formed states...if you can't find them maybe ask your good friend kifeas to lend you a hand...

so in short bir, nothing would have changed apart from turkey gaining to what she has today via the legal domination of the tcs...

i can't for the life of me understand as to how you could endorse such a plan after telling us how much you love cyprus...maybe you meant when she becomes a province of turkey...

bir do not embarrass yourself with wanting more or with engaging in a debate regarding the annan plan...

instead how about answering what i put to you...

here it is again...

here is one for you bir...do you actually think turkey will cease dictating the tcs what to or what not to do?...or you think turkey spend billions on the occupied so one day the tcs can tell them to get out...

this alone tells you what turkey gets out of it...a hint...it's nothing to do with how much turkey loves the tcs...

[boomerang]

Thank you,my psychoanalysis is spot on...You have either imbibed the trauma from your parents,or you are a raving,murderous psychopath...The choice is yours...

What the hell is embedded trauma? I'm just pissed that I don't have a frekin homeland to go to, that's how I feel. I remember as a kid I was brought up with constant notions that the TRNC is where my roots are and that the RoC doesn't represent us. After coming back some people also treat me like a foreigner even though I was born here. It just feels weird, I don't know what to call it.

Imbibed (I hope I am spelling it right!) is what you get from your parents without conscious effort...This is how I see it Umit...Your roots are in Cyprus...Not in the political entities engaged in bloody feud,but in the country itself...Australia is your country of birth,but not where you feel you belong...Others pick up on that and treat you like a foreigner...I am luckier. I came to Australia 41 years ago,I was a foreigner then and I am a foreigner now...No internal conflict there...

I came to australia as a foreigner then and no longer feel like a foreigner today, quite the opposite really...but one thing s for sure, i have been to cyprus 3 times and each time i felt like a foreigner...

my roots are well planted in OZ...i have no desire in settling anywhere else...

[BirKibrisli]

bir with the annan plan that bananiot and you supported not only the 37% would have become a province of turkey but the rest of the 63%... thats the problem...on top of that guarantees come at a price...and the price is control...i am very surpriced you do not see this...or you think turkey came to save the tcs...

the best we should be aiming for is a federation like in OZ, with democracy, human rights and the rule of law...sure it will be hard at the start, but with perseverance i can see it working...nothing was build in a day and nothing will...

insisting on this and that, what i do see is the 37% dissapearing to turkey, with the 67% progressing...

the solution is with the tcs...they have the key...

What makes you think under Annan Plan all of Cyprus would come under Turkish control...??? Please explain...

what about the rest of the post bir?

have you read the annan plan by any chance?...better still have you understood it?...it was a confedaration plan made to suit ankara...not only turkey having a say in the north but the south as well...

here is one for you bir...do you actually think turkey will cease dictating the tcs what to or what not to do?...or you think turkey spend billions on the occupied so one day the tcs can tell them to get out...

I want you to explain to me first,what aspect of the Annan plan would bring the South under Turkey's control??? It sounds as if you are the one who hasnt read it,boomers....Come clean and admit it...You are just repeating the words of Greek nationalists..

here you bir, just a few

The Plan did not include a settlement regarding the repatriation of Turkish settlers living on Greek Cypriot owned land in the 'Northern Cyprus', while after 19 years, the possibility of abolishing the derogation of 5% of Greeks and Turkish citizens who could settle in Cyprus, is obvious, and the danger of a permanent mass settling of Cyprus by Turkey is visible.

Nearly all the Turkish settlers would be granted citizenship or residence rights leading to citizenship. The central government would have limited control towards future Turkish Immigration. Those settlers opting to return to Turkey would be compensated by Cyprus and Greek Cypriots. Even though Turkey systematically brought in the settlers to alter the demography of the island, it had no responsibility for their Repatriation

Cyprus would be excluded from the European Common Defense and Foreign Policy, while Turkish troops would remain in Cyprus even after the accession of Turkey to the EU with intervention rights (a military invasion - occasionally used euphemistically) in the Greek Cypriot component state.

and lets not talk about the continental shelf carved between turksy and the uk...

i could go on, but i think you got the point...i also recommend you read the 2 preambles of the formed states...if you can't find them maybe ask your good friend kifeas to lend you a hand...

so in short bir, nothing would have changed apart from turkey gaining to what she has today via the legal domination of the tcs...

i can't for the life of me understand as to how you could endorse such a plan after telling us how much you love cyprus...maybe you meant when she becomes a province of turkey...

bir do not embarrass yourself with wanting more or with engaging in a debate regarding the annan plan...

instead how about answering what i put to you...

here it is again...

here is one for you bir...do you actually think turkey will cease dictating the tcs what to or what not to do?...or you think turkey spend billions on the occupied so one day the tcs can tell them to get out...

this alone tells you what turkey gets out of it...a hint...it's nothing to do with how much turkey loves the tcs...

You have failed to explain how the Annan Plan would've given Turkey control over the GC state,but I will let you off the hook there,Boomers...
By the way,I never said I endorsed the AP...I was just curious as to how you streched your imagination to extend the Turkish influence and control over the whole island...I am still puzzled...

To answer your question: it will depend on the kind of solution we have...If we have a BBF with a strong Federal government,and we manage to control the number of the settlers to around 50,000,the TCs would not have to depend on Turkey economically and hence Turkish influence would be reduced over time...Can I remind you that the Turkish influence began in 1963 when the TCs were pushed out of government and into enclaves where they had to depend on Turkey for literally their physical survival...The dependence grew after 1974 when the RoC government who was supposed to be the government of all Cypriots decided to strangle the TCs with the embargoes and international isolation...When these conditions ease so will Turkey's influence...

[BirKibrisli]

Thank you,my psychoanalysis is spot on...You have either imbibed the trauma from your parents,or you are a raving,murderous psychopath...The choice is yours...

What the hell is embedded trauma? I'm just pissed that I don't have a frekin homeland to go to, that's how I feel. I remember as a kid I was brought up with constant notions that the TRNC is where my roots are and that the RoC doesn't represent us. After coming back some people also treat me like a foreigner even though I was born here. It just feels weird, I don't know what to call it.

Imbibed (I hope I am spelling it right!) is what you get from your parents without conscious effort...This is how I see it Umit...Your roots are in Cyprus...Not in the political entities engaged in bloody feud,but in the country itself...Australia is your country of birth,but not where you feel you belong...Others pick up on that and treat you like a foreigner...I am luckier. I came to Australia 41 years ago,I was a foreigner then and I am a foreigner now...No internal conflict there...

I came to australia as a foreigner then and no longer feel like a foreigner today, quite the opposite really...but one thing s for sure, i have been to cyprus 3 times and each time i felt like a foreigner...

my roots are well planted in OZ...i have no desire in settling anywhere else...

So if you feel at home in Australia, and Cyprus is a foreign country,why do you want to meddle in her political affairs ???...What are you doing here???

[boomerang]

bir what you obviously failed to understand is turkey ain't going nowhere....what ever solution comes about turkey will control the north state...

turkey didn't spend billions coz she loves you...and to combat what you are saying she resettled the north with her own people outnumbering you guys...so her influence will always be there...

so for you you let me off the hook i will equate this to shortsightness on your behalf for not seeing the obvious...

if turkey wanted a solution today she would have volunteered to withdraw from the island taking her citizens with her, but instead she dictates what she wants via talat's mouth....blatandly obvious to say the least...

so in short bir the with the annan plan or any other plan turkey is looking to cement and expand her gains...

there are no ifs or buts about it....wishfull thinking on your behalf...

[boomerang]

Thank you,my psychoanalysis is spot on...You have either imbibed the trauma from your parents,or you are a raving,murderous psychopath...The choice is yours...

What the hell is embedded trauma? I'm just pissed that I don't have a frekin homeland to go to, that's how I feel. I remember as a kid I was brought up with constant notions that the TRNC is where my roots are and that the RoC doesn't represent us. After coming back some people also treat me like a foreigner even though I was born here. It just feels weird, I don't know what to call it.

Imbibed (I hope I am spelling it right!) is what you get from your parents without conscious effort...This is how I see it Umit...Your roots are in Cyprus...Not in the political entities engaged in bloody feud,but in the country itself...Australia is your country of birth,but not where you feel you belong...Others pick up on that and treat you like a foreigner...I am luckier. I came to Australia 41 years ago,I was a foreigner then and I am a foreigner now...No internal conflict there...

I came to australia as a foreigner then and no longer feel like a foreigner today, quite the opposite really...but one thing s for sure, i have been to cyprus 3 times and each time i felt like a foreigner...

my roots are well planted in OZ...i have no desire in settling anywhere else...

So if you feel at home in Australia, and Cyprus is a foreign country,why do you want to meddle in her political affairs ???...What are you doing here???

well bir, i was born in cyprus, and i believe i have a say on how things evolve regardless on how i feel...atleast with my opinions i can see the situation with an unbiased view, unlike you that feels passionate, resulting to daily shots of prozac for your pseudo psychology illnesses...

[Paphitis]

Thank you,my psychoanalysis is spot on...You have either imbibed the trauma from your parents,or you are a raving,murderous psychopath...The choice is yours...

What the hell is embedded trauma? I'm just pissed that I don't have a frekin homeland to go to, that's how I feel. I remember as a kid I was brought up with constant notions that the TRNC is where my roots are and that the RoC doesn't represent us. After coming back some people also treat me like a foreigner even though I was born here. It just feels weird, I don't know what to call it.

Imbibed (I hope I am spelling it right!) is what you get from your parents without conscious effort...This is how I see it Umit...Your roots are in Cyprus...Not in the political entities engaged in bloody feud,but in the country itself...Australia is your country of birth,but not where you feel you belong...Others pick up on that and treat you like a foreigner...I am luckier. I came to Australia 41 years ago,I was a foreigner then and I am a foreigner now...No internal conflict there...

I was born in Australia and have never felt like a foreigner. I have led a very rich live so far, with many experiences and given opportunities I will never have got anywhere else.

I am an Australian with Cypriot Inheritance.

No conflict here either! How can there be if you live in the best country in the world!

I think BIR doesn't like Australia's one man one vote Federal democracy! Such fairness is an anathema to Bir, as he does not want to see such justice and democracy in Cyprus, but instead wants and desires the methodical Turkification of Cyprus and the destruction of cypriotism!

There can be no other explanation, judging from his posts.

[B25]

Thank you,my psychoanalysis is spot on...You have either imbibed the trauma from your parents,or you are a raving,murderous psychopath...The choice is yours...

What the hell is embedded trauma? I'm just pissed that I don't have a frekin homeland to go to, that's how I feel. I remember as a kid I was brought up with constant notions that the TRNC is where my roots are and that the RoC doesn't represent us. After coming back some people also treat me like a foreigner even though I was born here. It just feels weird, I don't know what to call it.

Imbibed (I hope I am spelling it right!) is what you get from your parents without conscious effort...This is how I see it Umit...Your roots are in Cyprus...Not in the political entities engaged in bloody feud,but in the country itself...Australia is your country of birth,but not where you feel you belong...Others pick up on that and treat you like a foreigner...I am luckier. I came to Australia 41 years ago,I was a foreigner then and I am a foreigner now...No internal conflict there...

I think BIR doesn't like Australia's one man one vote Federal democracy! Such fairness is an anathema to Bir, as he does not want to see such justice and democracy in Cyprus, but instead wants and desires the methodical Turkification of Cyprus and the destruction of cypriotism!

Pafiti, thank you, you have summed him to a 'T'. This is what I have been trying to tell him, but failed, bravo!

I wonder what BS excuses will flow now.