by Get Real! » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:00 pm
BirKibrisli wrote:What...what is holding me back...is the refusal of the RoC to agree to a solution which will bring a good degree of self-rule for the TCs in the Federated TC state...That is what...
by boomerang » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:04 pm
Get Real! wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:What...what is holding me back...is the refusal of the RoC to agree to a solution which will bring a good degree of self-rule for the TCs in the Federated TC state...That is what...
There's your scandal exposed...
In other words he is upset that the RoC refuses to sign away the occupied territory so they can play the pasha on OUR land and in our country!
by BirKibrisli » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:12 pm
boomerang wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:boomerang wrote:boomerang wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:boomerang wrote:bir what you obviously failed to understand is turkey ain't going nowhere....what ever solution comes about turkey will control the north state...
turkey didn't spend billions coz she loves you...and to combat what you are saying she resettled the north with her own people outnumbering you guys...so her influence will always be there...
so for you you let me off the hook i will equate this to shortsightness on your behalf for not seeing the obvious...
if turkey wanted a solution today she would have volunteered to withdraw from the island taking her citizens with her, but instead she dictates what she wants via talat's mouth....blatandly obvious to say the least...
so in short bir the with the annan plan or any other plan turkey is looking to cement and expand her gains...
there are no ifs or buts about it....wishfull thinking on your behalf...
I am starting to doubt your intelligence,boomers...Either that or you are on the booze all the time... You are not telling me anything new...Turkey likes the status quo,doesn't want a solution,till she is ready to annex the North...There is one way you will stop Turkey...Agree to a deal which will make her withdraw most of her troops,and remove the noose on the TCs so they can breath without Turkey's artificial lungs...If you have a better idea I am all ears...
and i am quickly forming the opinion of prolong usage of prozac is playing havoc with your mind...
since the gates opened the gdp of the occupied has tripled something tirkey never achieved, but achieved very quickly with the roc...the tcs should take note of this instead of proposing ludicrous demands via a puppet...
the tcs have no voice and never will have a voice...turkey has seen to this long ago, hence why you are outnumbered...try passing something turkey doesn't want and see what happens...
a plan that leaves the door open for turkey is not a plan but a catastrophe for the whole island...
on the other hand if turkey was a modern democracy, prescribes to human rights and where the rule of law rules the roost, maybe a guarantee would be acceptble...but you and i know this a long way away...
funny thing is turkey let go of cyprus, she would have captured it, due to the close proximity, japan style, with trade...go fugure huh?...
bir?
what do you want me to say,boomers...???we are going around the circle like those blinkered mules around the well...Turkey will not be a European style democracy in a hurry...And you have a long wait,if ,like GR you are planning to starve Turkey out of Cyprus...good luck anyway...I guess I am condemned to die in Oz...Well,there are worse places i suppose...
what i expected out of you bir, is support for democracy, human rights and rule of law, and i do realise these are a strange phenomena in turkey, but from you is another story, having lived most of your life in oz...witnessing the past and the present...where in the '60 and '70 one couldn't speak their own own language out loud, eat continenatl food, or even enjoying a glass of wine...
the difference in attitudes from the then to today are miles apart...you were part of thios revolution, but it seems it has escaped you...pity
by BirKibrisli » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:21 pm
by Oracle » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:22 pm
BirKibrisli wrote:boomerang wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:boomerang wrote:boomerang wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:boomerang wrote:bir what you obviously failed to understand is turkey ain't going nowhere....what ever solution comes about turkey will control the north state...
turkey didn't spend billions coz she loves you...and to combat what you are saying she resettled the north with her own people outnumbering you guys...so her influence will always be there...
so for you you let me off the hook i will equate this to shortsightness on your behalf for not seeing the obvious...
if turkey wanted a solution today she would have volunteered to withdraw from the island taking her citizens with her, but instead she dictates what she wants via talat's mouth....blatandly obvious to say the least...
so in short bir the with the annan plan or any other plan turkey is looking to cement and expand her gains...
there are no ifs or buts about it....wishfull thinking on your behalf...
I am starting to doubt your intelligence,boomers...Either that or you are on the booze all the time... You are not telling me anything new...Turkey likes the status quo,doesn't want a solution,till she is ready to annex the North...There is one way you will stop Turkey...Agree to a deal which will make her withdraw most of her troops,and remove the noose on the TCs so they can breath without Turkey's artificial lungs...If you have a better idea I am all ears...
and i am quickly forming the opinion of prolong usage of prozac is playing havoc with your mind...
since the gates opened the gdp of the occupied has tripled something tirkey never achieved, but achieved very quickly with the roc...the tcs should take note of this instead of proposing ludicrous demands via a puppet...
the tcs have no voice and never will have a voice...turkey has seen to this long ago, hence why you are outnumbered...try passing something turkey doesn't want and see what happens...
a plan that leaves the door open for turkey is not a plan but a catastrophe for the whole island...
on the other hand if turkey was a modern democracy, prescribes to human rights and where the rule of law rules the roost, maybe a guarantee would be acceptble...but you and i know this a long way away...
funny thing is turkey let go of cyprus, she would have captured it, due to the close proximity, japan style, with trade...go fugure huh?...
bir?
what do you want me to say,boomers...???we are going around the circle like those blinkered mules around the well...Turkey will not be a European style democracy in a hurry...And you have a long wait,if ,like GR you are planning to starve Turkey out of Cyprus...good luck anyway...I guess I am condemned to die in Oz...Well,there are worse places i suppose...
what i expected out of you bir, is support for democracy, human rights and rule of law, and i do realise these are a strange phenomena in turkey, but from you is another story, having lived most of your life in oz...witnessing the past and the present...where in the '60 and '70 one couldn't speak their own own language out loud, eat continenatl food, or even enjoying a glass of wine...
the difference in attitudes from the then to today are miles apart...you were part of thios revolution, but it seems it has escaped you...pity
Talk is cheap,boomers...when a find a country with real democracy,human rights,and the rule of law,i would be happy to support it...You are not suggesting these things truly exist in Cyprus, are you???
by Get Real! » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:28 pm
BirKibrisli wrote:I have been expelled from the RoC in 1963,left my beloved country in 1969...When i returned 40 years later I found my ancestral village rased to the ground,and turned into a pig farm...Forgive me if I am not rushing back to live in the RoC with their style of democracy,human rights,and the rule of law...I will take my chances with my own community if and when they have some degree of self-rule...You would do the same if you were in my shoes,GR!...
by Viewpoint » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:40 pm
Get Real! wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:I have been expelled from the RoC in 1963,left my beloved country in 1969...When i returned 40 years later I found my ancestral village rased to the ground,and turned into a pig farm...Forgive me if I am not rushing back to live in the RoC with their style of democracy,human rights,and the rule of law...I will take my chances with my own community if and when they have some degree of self-rule...You would do the same if you were in my shoes,GR!...
You don’t even have a community left… you wasted it when you amalgamated with Turkey to form the illegal “TRNC”.
It was common sense that the first people to succeed in enosis with their “mother country” would also be the first to vanish!
Thank God you beat us to it…
by denizaksulu » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:03 pm
Viewpoint wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:boomerang wrote:bir what you obviously failed to understand is turkey ain't going nowhere....what ever solution comes about turkey will control the north state...
turkey didn't spend billions coz she loves you...and to combat what you are saying she resettled the north with her own people outnumbering you guys...so her influence will always be there...
so for you you let me off the hook i will equate this to shortsightness on your behalf for not seeing the obvious...
if turkey wanted a solution today she would have volunteered to withdraw from the island taking her citizens with her, but instead she dictates what she wants via talat's mouth....blatandly obvious to say the least...
so in short bir the with the annan plan or any other plan turkey is looking to cement and expand her gains...
there are no ifs or buts about it....wishfull thinking on your behalf...
I am starting to doubt your intelligence,boomers...Either that or you are on the booze all the time... You are not telling me anything new...Turkey likes the status quo,doesn't want a solution,till she is ready to annex the North...There is one way you will stop Turkey...Agree to a deal which will make her withdraw most of her troops,and remove the noose on the TCs so they can breath without Turkey's artificial lungs...If you have a better idea I am all ears...
Bir you are wasting your time these people do not have the capacity or the desire to reach a solution that will get rid of the TA, today announcement about the guarantees issue by the GCs has dropped like a bomb in the north the talks are doomed, this is not something you come out with if there is goodwill at the table obviously these GCs are lieing when they say they want a solution, the only solution they want is the one which gives them total control of the whole island and no TC safeguards.
by Malapapa » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:06 pm
denizaksulu wrote:Viewpoint wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:boomerang wrote:bir what you obviously failed to understand is turkey ain't going nowhere....what ever solution comes about turkey will control the north state...
turkey didn't spend billions coz she loves you...and to combat what you are saying she resettled the north with her own people outnumbering you guys...so her influence will always be there...
so for you you let me off the hook i will equate this to shortsightness on your behalf for not seeing the obvious...
if turkey wanted a solution today she would have volunteered to withdraw from the island taking her citizens with her, but instead she dictates what she wants via talat's mouth....blatandly obvious to say the least...
so in short bir the with the annan plan or any other plan turkey is looking to cement and expand her gains...
there are no ifs or buts about it....wishfull thinking on your behalf...
I am starting to doubt your intelligence,boomers...Either that or you are on the booze all the time... You are not telling me anything new...Turkey likes the status quo,doesn't want a solution,till she is ready to annex the North...There is one way you will stop Turkey...Agree to a deal which will make her withdraw most of her troops,and remove the noose on the TCs so they can breath without Turkey's artificial lungs...If you have a better idea I am all ears...
Bir you are wasting your time these people do not have the capacity or the desire to reach a solution that will get rid of the TA, today announcement about the guarantees issue by the GCs has dropped like a bomb in the north the talks are doomed, this is not something you come out with if there is goodwill at the table obviously these GCs are lieing when they say they want a solution, the only solution they want is the one which gives them total control of the whole island and no TC safeguards.
I agree with you VP that these talks are doomed to fail. From what we see, I am sure you agree, both sides are demanding the impossible. What better way to reach deadlock. The staus quo will prevail with NO recognition.IMO.
by boomerang » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:21 am
BirKibrisli wrote:boomerang wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:boomerang wrote:boomerang wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:boomerang wrote:bir what you obviously failed to understand is turkey ain't going nowhere....what ever solution comes about turkey will control the north state...
turkey didn't spend billions coz she loves you...and to combat what you are saying she resettled the north with her own people outnumbering you guys...so her influence will always be there...
so for you you let me off the hook i will equate this to shortsightness on your behalf for not seeing the obvious...
if turkey wanted a solution today she would have volunteered to withdraw from the island taking her citizens with her, but instead she dictates what she wants via talat's mouth....blatandly obvious to say the least...
so in short bir the with the annan plan or any other plan turkey is looking to cement and expand her gains...
there are no ifs or buts about it....wishfull thinking on your behalf...
I am starting to doubt your intelligence,boomers...Either that or you are on the booze all the time... You are not telling me anything new...Turkey likes the status quo,doesn't want a solution,till she is ready to annex the North...There is one way you will stop Turkey...Agree to a deal which will make her withdraw most of her troops,and remove the noose on the TCs so they can breath without Turkey's artificial lungs...If you have a better idea I am all ears...
and i am quickly forming the opinion of prolong usage of prozac is playing havoc with your mind...
since the gates opened the gdp of the occupied has tripled something tirkey never achieved, but achieved very quickly with the roc...the tcs should take note of this instead of proposing ludicrous demands via a puppet...
the tcs have no voice and never will have a voice...turkey has seen to this long ago, hence why you are outnumbered...try passing something turkey doesn't want and see what happens...
a plan that leaves the door open for turkey is not a plan but a catastrophe for the whole island...
on the other hand if turkey was a modern democracy, prescribes to human rights and where the rule of law rules the roost, maybe a guarantee would be acceptble...but you and i know this a long way away...
funny thing is turkey let go of cyprus, she would have captured it, due to the close proximity, japan style, with trade...go fugure huh?...
bir?
what do you want me to say,boomers...???we are going around the circle like those blinkered mules around the well...Turkey will not be a European style democracy in a hurry...And you have a long wait,if ,like GR you are planning to starve Turkey out of Cyprus...good luck anyway...I guess I am condemned to die in Oz...Well,there are worse places i suppose...
what i expected out of you bir, is support for democracy, human rights and rule of law, and i do realise these are a strange phenomena in turkey, but from you is another story, having lived most of your life in oz...witnessing the past and the present...where in the '60 and '70 one couldn't speak their own own language out loud, eat continenatl food, or even enjoying a glass of wine...
the difference in attitudes from the then to today are miles apart...you were part of thios revolution, but it seems it has escaped you...pity
Talk is cheap,boomers...when a find a country with real democracy,human rights,and the rule of law,i would be happy to support it...You are not suggesting these things truly exist in Cyprus, are you???
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