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[Get Real!]

No idea what GR means, but thats not unusal.

You must’ve been pretty hopeless at Hangman…

[fwnh]

After the latest news, hopes for a solution are fading away fast.

Support for president Christofias turned for the worst, disintegrating by the minute. The Greek politicians are, again, divided and indecisive. None of them has the guts to proceed with bold steps towards a solution. Christofias is almost powerless, having a new obstacle, the "enemy" within.

In the other hand, Talat is in no better position either. The imminent elections coming up in the north will probably deny any negotiating authority he currently enjoys.

This was always the issue with Cyprus. The lack of a charismatic leader to get us out of this one way street. The trouble is, I don't see anyone on the horizon that fit this description. Back to the drawing board.

This is my humble opinion. If you know of some one who can pull this off, let me know.

Georgios100

My friend the solution to the cyprus problem lies within the GC community. What we lack is not a charismatic leader because the fact is that a big percentage of the GC's today want the status quo to remain as it is "dixotomikoi" for their own personal gains. The irony in all this is that these people hide behind political parties and movements that SELL patriotism when in fact they only care about they personal gains.
These same people are those that you see on the media EVERY SINGLE DAY feeding naive peoples hearts with fear and hatred towart the 'enemy' be it the TC's the EU the USA the UK the Jews the Turks what ever as long as it promotes their plans.

And as for president Christofias popularity falling, lets not kid ourselves, presidents come and go, the system stays the same. ALL political parties have #1 on their agenda to stay on power be it left, right, midlle, socialists, up , down. He will not risk a solution that his party wan't be able to feed on the success of it, because this is the reflection of the GC community. "there's no right and wrong as long as me and my children live a wealthy life"...
-The cyprus problem? who cares what happened to the stock market?
It trully saddens and disgusts me at the same time but this is a big part of cyprus's society today.
You don;t believe me? I'm just oblitaring everything? Keep in mind this....!!!
WE, the GC's ,democratically elected a president that was part of 'omada X', had relations with the Athen's junda and EOKA B and CIA and had plans to exterminate any signs of communism in cyprus during the junta.... this president was brought to power by the left-wing party...

my humble opinion

What the majority of the Cypriot people want, not just now, but for centuries, is a free Cyprus where we will be able to decide in a democratic way what we want for our own island. Today we at least have 2/3rd of our island free. Our aim is to liberate the remaining 3rd, not to enslave the whole of it again as it was the case with, e.g. Ottoman rule, with some so called "solution" that will not liberate our island but will instead put the whole of Cyprus in the hands of Turkey.

And about which president are you talking about? Your description only fits Grivas, and Grivas was never a president.

Well you see telling me you want the cypriots to decide their own fate in a democratic way really tickles my ears... but then you go on to reffer to the ottoman empire?!? how wrong is that? Remember the past but look forward. We can live with what we have as long as the 'enemy' doesn't get what they want?

As u can see i deliberately failed to mention names because it was out of context with the original post of georgios. Especially names that make people think with the heart instead of their head

[georgios100]

President Obama said something about the Washington politics that is also true to the Cypriot politics. I Quote:

It is hard to change the way Washington operates. Things are moving slow. The reason rest with the lawmakers themselves. Out of the 4 years that are elected in office, their main concern is to promote themselves to win the next election and do little to serve their constituents. Nothing gets done. Keeping their chairs is over and above the country's interest. Power is addictive. Once they have it, they don't want to give it up.

This is why nothing gets done. Blaming or finger pointing others as obstacles to the solution is a by-product of the above mentioned politicians - from both sides. It works. So far their chairs are intact.

We must realise this. And besides. Who said these politicians even qualify for the job? 1974-2010 = 36 years. Nothing was accomplished. Therefore, I strongly believe the politicians are disqualified.

The search of a charismatic leader is in vein. What we need is a fresh perspective. We should be looking at a by-partisan committee manned with top experts from all over the world to sit down and work out a proposal to the best interest of both communities - not to the interest of the political parties involved. This committee will ensure the rights and responsibilities of the people are met. After all, this is what the people want. Closure.

Georgios100

[DT.]

President Obama said something about the Washington politics that is also true to the Cypriot politics. I Quote:

It is hard to change the way Washington operates. Things are moving slow. The reason rest with the lawmakers themselves. Out of the 4 years that are elected in office, their main concern is to promote themselves to win the next election and do little to serve their constituents. Nothing gets done. Keeping their chairs is over and above the country's interest. Power is addictive. Once they have it, they don't want to give it up.

This is why nothing gets done. Blaming or finger pointing others as obstacles to the solution is a by-product of the above mentioned politicians - from both sides. It works. So far their chairs are intact.

We must realise this. And besides. Who said these politicians even qualify for the job? 1974-2010 = 36 years. Nothing was accomplished. Therefore, I strongly believe the politicians are disqualified.

The search of a charismatic leader is in vein. What we need is a fresh perspective. We should be looking at a by-partisan committee manned with top experts from all over the world to sit down and work out a proposal to the best interest of both communities - not to the interest of the political parties involved. This committee will ensure the rights and responsibilities of the people are met. After all, this is what the people want. Closure.

Georgios100

I was with you 100% until you mentioned bringing foreigners in to solve the Cyprob.

[fwnh]

President Obama said something about the Washington politics that is also true to the Cypriot politics. I Quote:

It is hard to change the way Washington operates. Things are moving slow. The reason rest with the lawmakers themselves. Out of the 4 years that are elected in office, their main concern is to promote themselves to win the next election and do little to serve their constituents. Nothing gets done. Keeping their chairs is over and above the country's interest. Power is addictive. Once they have it, they don't want to give it up.

This is why nothing gets done. Blaming or finger pointing others as obstacles to the solution is a by-product of the above mentioned politicians - from both sides. It works. So far their chairs are intact.

We must realise this. And besides. Who said these politicians even qualify for the job? 1974-2010 = 36 years. Nothing was accomplished. Therefore, I strongly believe the politicians are disqualified.

The search of a charismatic leader is in vein. What we need is a fresh perspective. We should be looking at a by-partisan committee manned with top experts from all over the world to sit down and work out a proposal to the best interest of both communities - not to the interest of the political parties involved. This committee will ensure the rights and responsibilities of the people are met. After all, this is what the people want. Closure.

Georgios100

I was with you 100% until you mentioned bringing foreigners in to solve
the Cyprob.

I completely agree with DT on that.... maybe what you 're trying to say is that the people that work the solution should be non-politicaly influenced?
It's the best way to go in theory... but so was communism and how did that end? both for the same reason, personal gain. It just can't happen in real life.

[yiannisP]

Year 2010: Hopes for a solution quickly slipping away

I wouldn't say 'slipping away' as that implies that it was actually to hand in the first place. When two sides want very different schemes and the compromises desired most are totally unacceptable (separate zones, division, anything other than 1 person 1 vote, legalizing theft of land etc etc) then there is little hope for a solution no matter how long the situation drags on for.

[Acikgoz]

So DT and fwnh with your desire to have outside parties to facilitate on solving the Cyprus problem, how vocal were you on the EU's involvement right now.
The EU has taken a wholly one sided approach by placing 100% of the onus on Turkey to promote the solving of the Cyprus problem without once mentioning the responsibilities and penalties for RoC.

If there was consistency in your outlooks then the hypocrisy of your statements would sound more genuine.

[georgios100]

President Obama said something about the Washington politics that is also true to the Cypriot politics. I Quote:

It is hard to change the way Washington operates. Things are moving slow. The reason rest with the lawmakers themselves. Out of the 4 years that are elected in office, their main concern is to promote themselves to win the next election and do little to serve their constituents. Nothing gets done. Keeping their chairs is over and above the country's interest. Power is addictive. Once they have it, they don't want to give it up.

This is why nothing gets done. Blaming or finger pointing others as obstacles to the solution is a by-product of the above mentioned politicians - from both sides. It works. So far their chairs are intact.

We must realise this. And besides. Who said these politicians even qualify for the job? 1974-2010 = 36 years. Nothing was accomplished. Therefore, I strongly believe the politicians are disqualified.

The search of a charismatic leader is in vein. What we need is a fresh perspective. We should be looking at a by-partisan committee manned with top experts from all over the world to sit down and work out a proposal to the best interest of both communities - not to the interest of the political parties involved. This committee will ensure the rights and responsibilities of the people are met. After all, this is what the people want. Closure.

Georgios100

I was with you 100% until you mentioned bringing foreigners in to solve
the Cyprob.

I completely agree with DT on that.... maybe what you 're trying to say is that the people that work the solution should be non-politicaly influenced?
It's the best way to go in theory... but so was communism and how did that end? both for the same reason, personal gain. It just can't happen in real life.

Absolutely non politically motivated experts are required. The politicians had their chances & failed miserably. There are many qualified foreign scientists, anthropologists, economists etc out there who can start from scratch and design Cyprus as a "model state" for others to follow. A similar case is the East-West Germany. A great success. Today, the unified Germany is a powerhouse. If the Germans can do it, so can we. We just need the expertise and vision needed to implement...

Georgios100

[fwnh]

The cypriots will never accept that, they didn't in the past so why would they in the future? and ofcourse the cypriot's mentality and way of thinking is light years away from the german's

[fwnh]

So DT and fwnh with your desire to have outside parties to facilitate on solving the Cyprus problem, how vocal were you on the EU's involvement right now.
The EU has taken a wholly one sided approach by placing 100% of the onus on Turkey to promote the solving of the Cyprus problem without once mentioning the responsibilities and penalties for RoC.

If there was consistency in your outlooks then the hypocrisy of your statements would sound more genuine.

WHAT? you have completely understood the oposite of what we have said