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[bill cobbett]

Is probably one of the best journalists on the island,north or south because he sticks his neck out and says the truth,even when it is not to some peoples liking! Stalin had such people shot and there are quite a few regimes even today who would probably do likewise!

Soon, the ECHR is expected to refer the thousands of recourses filed by Greek Cypriots against Turkey to the compensation commission in the north. In other words, while the Greek Cypriots would have to apply to the commission of a non-recognised entity and receive peanuts as compensation for their properties,

This certainly isn't the truth; this is nonsensical scaremongering.

Absolutely, beware of journalists and their crystal balls, particularly those of the CY Mail persuasion.

[Kikapu]

I have a different take on the article posted above. Has anyone asked the question as to why NOW, soon after the Orams case, that we have such movement in the south to try and give back the TCs their properties back.?? NO, well, think about it.!

Who are the TCs who are going to apply to the courts in the south to get their properties back, are no other than those who have not

a) received any GC land from the "trnc" in the form of "exchange land"

b) who has not purchased or sold any stolen GC land

Those in the above categories will not dare to venture into the RoC courts in the fear of being charged with illegal dealings with the GC land in the north, and even if they were not to be charged, they can be served court papers from the original GC land owners which they occupy in the north, which then they can ask the court in the RoC to hold onto any cash that may be due to the TC from their own land in the south, to be given to them instead for the use of their land by the TC in the north. This will make it easy for the GCs to collect from the TCs in the RoC without the need to chase them all over the EU. Therefore, I will want to caution all those TCs who may have been up to no good with the GCs properties in the north to think twice before going in front of the judge in the RoC. All the TCs who have nothing to fear, can do so as they wish with ease. The only people that is going to try and prevent them from selling their land in the south, will be the “trnc” officials, since they would not want the TCs turning their land to the GCs for cash, which would make the south pure GC land, all the while the GCs still claiming 80% of the north as being theirs. This will put the TCs in a weak position to either try and keep as much of the north to be the one of the two Federal states with as few GCs as possible by returning most of the GC land back to them, or if most of the north stays as it is today, then expect the north to be mostly GCs in no time, in which case the GCs will be the majority in both the south and the north states. The results of the Orams case most definitely favours the honest Cypriots and punishes the guilty. Let the Orams case rule.!

[cymart]

Are probably the only newspapers worth reading on this side,rather like 'Afrika' in the north...
O.K. the Cyprus Mail,is in English but I cannot see how or why anyone could object to Politis because it is independent and does not support any political party......

[bill cobbett]

I have a different take on the article posted above. Has anyone asked the question as to why NOW, soon after the Orams case, that we have such movement in the south to try and give back the TCs their properties back.?? NO, well, think about it.!

Who are the TCs who are going to apply to the courts in the south to get their properties back, are no other than those who have not

a) received any GC land from the "trnc" in the form of "exchange land"

b) who has not purchased or sold any stolen GC land

Those in the above categories will not dare to venture into the RoC courts in the fear of being charged with illegal dealings with the GC land in the north, and even if they were not to be charged, they can be served court papers from the original GC land owners which they occupy in the north, which then they can ask the court in the RoC to hold onto any cash that may be due to the TC from their own land in the south, to be given to them instead for the use of their land by the TC in the north. This will make it easy for the GCs to collect from the TCs in the RoC without the need to chase them all over the EU. Therefore, I will want to caution all those TCs who may have been up to no good with the GCs properties in the north to think twice before going in front of the judge in the RoC. All the TCs who have nothing to fear, can do so as they wish with ease. The only people that is going to try and prevent them from selling their land in the south, will be the “trnc” officials, since they would not want the TCs turning their land to the GCs for cash, which would make the south pure GC land, all the while the GCs still claiming 80% of the north as being theirs. This will put the TCs in a weak position to either try and keep as much of the north to be the one of the two Federal states with as few GCs as possible by returning most of the GC land back to them, or if most of the north stays as it is today, then expect the north to be mostly GCs in no time, in which case the GCs will be the majority in both the south and the north states. The results of the Orams case most definitely favours the honest Cypriots and punishes the guilty. Let the Orams case rule.!

Yes, this is something have given a little thought to in the past few weeks. The losers will be the Illegal Regime and its curious "exchange" scams, the immoral double dippers and the northern CarpetBaggers.

Those who have acted honorably will be the winners, as they should.

One last thing (for now) ... until reading the article, was unaware that the Sofi houses had been used as refuge. If this was the case, and it is an important point, then it would be the first time that the unwritten understanding by all CYs to take refuge in each others' houses has been broken. ... but fear this "respected journalist" didn't see the significance of what he/she was writing.

[yorgozlu]

a) received any GC land from the "trnc" in the form of "exchange land

My biggest fear as a proud TC.I hope GC authorities would do enough reserch before handing any TC refugee their land/house or compensation for that matter.However,it is an opportunity for the opportunist as I've said on the 44 as well and unfortunately there too many of them about.

[paaul12]

u can bury ur head in the sand f u want 2, but this is what they r saying on the expat BB in the south:

Jim Wrote:

Clive Lemba is virtually all Turkish land,all developed on now with Cypriot families entrenched, because the Orams are Brits they have to demolish what they paid to have built and no Turks around then to say you cant because it's Greek owned land, the problem is that some say great they are getting their due deserts, but as far as I can tell they are not thinking about the boot on the other foot.

And again what are the Cypriots going to do that live on Turkish land here?, shame about them also? the answer is not clear and the solution is almost impossible, I hope this will not happen, if it does it will open the biggest can of worms ever in Cyprus. I do hope everyone is thinking what could happen if the Orams have to demolish their home.

For sure my son in laws house is built on Turkish land and the Greek Cypriot government gave all the village permission to build on Turkish owned land, this they did, so the difference is as far as I can see it was a third party Brit who paid for and had the property built..

Since this happened several Turkish Cypriots have tried unsuccessfully to reclaim some village property, now my point is as some seem to be overlooking if the Orams case is upheld then what do you think may happen in the Greek Cypriot republic?

Can you not see what could happen if this goes ahead with the Orams, I have no time for anyone buying over in the TRNC but consequences will happen here if this deed is done..

Milo my son in laws land (Kiki) was given to him by the Greek Cypriot authority, he built the house with his own money, they do have permanent use of this for the duration, they will never have TD of course but it would take another invasion to move these Cypriots out of their homes, it is and always will be contested land just as the Orams and others, do not underestimate the problems this UK courts ruling will cause..

Kiki's family own property and business in Famagusta they are never expecting to get this back, as the Turks have no chance this side, it will always remain a ongoing problem, and the Orams? my thinking is it will not happen, if it does the outcome could be very serious.

http://www.cyprusliving.org/phpbb/nfphp ... 6b0bab81e3

[Kifeas]

As I have been saying all along, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Really Copper, really? What is sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander? really? Well, let me explain to you what kind of sauce it is then! I, a refugee with huge property in the north, knowing that the value of GC properties being usurped in the occupied north is 6-7 times more than the corresponding one belonging to TCs in the south, have absolutely no problem and no concern if all TC properties in the south are being taken back by their owners! Do you know why? Because: (a) TC properties in the south, besides being considerably less than the GC ones in the north and thus only sufficient for a small proportion of us (GC refugees,) cannot also be used and exploited in any meaningfully productive way, since those few of us that use them, are also considerably limited as to the kind of use we can possibly make out of them, and (b) the more the TC properties in the south are restituted to their TC owners, the better the chances we have to also attain restitution for all of our occupied properties in the north, since the TC leadership's claim that within the concept of bi-zonality there should also be an exchange of properties, gets thrown out of the window by default if there will be no TC properties in the south to be exchanged with GC ones in the north.

If you think that GCs are in any particular difficulty restituting TC properties in the south, to their owners, you are terribly mistaken! We rather allow all TC properties to be taken, because this strengthness our case regarding our properties in the north, and we will certainly not sacrifice an estimated 60-70 billions of euros worth of GC properties in the north, for the sake of holding onto only 10 billions worth of TC properties in the south. Come and take them to the last one, if you so wish, provided you have not exploited, usurped and sold any GC properties in the north, in which case you may also pass through the courts first.

[Get Real!]

Before my TC friends get too excited over this thread, I strongly advise them to pay special attention to the case: ”Demopoulos and 7 others vs Turkey” which challenges the legality and effectiveness of the “Immovable Property Commission” (IPC) which you can read about here…

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view. ... udoc-cc-en

As yet, I haven’t come across a chamber judgment for this case but you can be sure that it will either make or break the dodgy "IPC"!

I also remind that the number of GC refugees are FOUR times as many as the TC refugees, and that most of the TC refugee properties ARE easily transferable to the legit owners under the “Turkish Cypriot properties Management Service”…

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/citizenschart ... enDocument

…whereas NONE of the GC properties are available by the Turkish invader/occupier!

If compensation were to be paid to every refugee, YOU calculate how much the RoC would have to pay up compared to the “TRNC”!!!

(Just for the record Myra Xenides-Arestis were paid €850,000 by the IPC and not peanuts as this article foolishly claims)

[Viewpoint]

Does that also mean the TCs that lost their properties in the 1960s can now claim them and compensation without having to wait for a solution, I believe there was a case going to ECHR which covered a few villages which were raised to the ground during the 1960s?

[paaul12]

As I have already said: HEAD IN THE SAND SYNDROME!!!!! Springs to mind.

The good old Property Commission, yea lets just pretend that it doesn’t exist, that way we don’t have to think about it, the problem is, it is there, it is serving the requirements of the courts, and as the reporter says:

This is not just idle speculation or alarmism. After the government’s undertaking at the ECHR it is a very real possibility. This would not be the only unpleasant development. Soon, the ECHR is expected to refer the thousands of recourses filed by Greek Cypriots against Turkey to the compensation commission in the north. In other words, while the Greek Cypriots would have to apply to the commission of a non-recognised entity and receive peanuts as compensation for their properties, Turkish Cypriots would apply to the Republic’s courts and be given back their properties.

So let’s just wait and see, no one is getting excited, yet

But we sure are going to have some fun, very, very soon

I see the "big boys" have come out to play, make sure you put your time down on your time sheet kifeas, you always know when you lot get worried, up goes the propaganda machine to a higher level, know what I mean