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[Acikgoz]

SKI - well champ - a great desire to remove the racist and bigoted attitudes that have destroyed many lives and much wealth for all the people of Cyprus. The great desire to see the position and errors of the past are not repeated.

[B25]

You will see as we near settlemen that the EU will rush to prevent the free movement of settlers from moving to their countries.

The situation sounds complex, but it is not. Those that marry Cypriots get nationality. Those that do not get antionality can stay, provided they get residence permits issued by the central federal government, where there will be a mixed GC-TC staff to decide these things.

And while we are on this humanitarian kick, what about the humanitarian issues of people like me, who have been forced to live all their working lives outside Cyprus because of the invasion and occupation? Proportionately there are more TCs in this situation than GCs. As DT pointed out above, we cannot forget these people in fvor of settlers. We must not forget that settlers did not materialise out of thin air, they have hometowns and family in Turkey to go back to. Expatriated Cypriots have no other place to call home.

Nikitas, I have spoken to young people in their twenties who were born in Cyprus of mainland Turkish parents who will look you straight in the eye and say, without a hint of irony, "I was born in Cyprus. I am Cypriot. This is my home." The situation, after the passage of so many years, is not as cut and dried as some people imagine.

Hence all illegals and theirs kids MUST go. It is the only clear cut way.

SKI, eisai malaks re, we have enough peasants of our own we don't need 250k from Turkey. And what possible skills can they have that we don't. Are you serious, you are accpeting Turkeys Turkification of our country, who the F are you to agree these terms. Like I keep saying to a few other long distnce so called GC, get your arses back here then speak. How dare you try to determine our living conditions from afar.

Perhaps voting rights should only be afforded to permanent resident citizens, what will you do then??

Settlers out, troops out, Turkey FO, and the return of the refugees to their properties, these are our red lines.

[Gasman]

Nikitas, I have spoken to young people in their twenties who were born in Cyprus of mainland Turkish parents who will look you straight in the eye and say, without a hint of irony, "I was born in Cyprus. I am Cypriot. This is my home." The situation, after the passage of so many years, is not as cut and dried as some people imagine.

I agree with that. Something I wonder about is how did the settlers originally come to be there?

I mean did they OPT? Like all the Brits who opted to go to OZ with the assisted passage scheme yonks ago.

Or were they sort of commanded to go there by Turkey in some way or other?

In the same way, I do wonder about WHO first had the idea (the idea that has, to my mind definitely complicated things) of selling off GC owned land and property to foreigners?

Was it the TRNC authorities who came up with it (maybe thinking it would in some way 'concrete' their position, or at least make it a lot harder for those properties to be returned to rightful owners)? Or was it opportunist property developers and estate agents (a lot of them UK based in the earlier years) who were scratching around for business once properties in the South started looking a bit expensive for their ex pat buyers?

Because they weren't doing this on any scale for a long time after 74 were they? And the increase in development that you can see with your own eyes in the past 6 years or so is enormous (all ground to a halt now of course). But there was a time a few years back when you could drive up the panhandle say once a month and be astonished at the number of new dwellings being whacked up along there.

[Abdul, The Bulbul Amir]

And no mainland Greeks or Georgian Greeks were shipped in to the South?

[Bananiot]

It is easy to talk about settlers but we mustn't forget that they are human beings too who were sucked in by the spiral of the tragic events of 1974 and after. For this reason, their case can only be viewed on humanitarian principles. However, there is just one small hinge. There is a problem to be solved first and the issue of the settlers is not so much part of the problem as some think. If we can solve the other aspects of the problem, the issue of the settlers can be tackled on the basis of common sense. For example, those that were born here, will stay here, if they so wish. There is no other way about it, if we want our new start to be a good one, based on laws and principles.

[Tim Drayton]

Nikitas, I have spoken to young people in their twenties who were born in Cyprus of mainland Turkish parents who will look you straight in the eye and say, without a hint of irony, "I was born in Cyprus. I am Cypriot. This is my home." The situation, after the passage of so many years, is not as cut and dried as some people imagine.

I agree with that. Something I wonder about is how did the settlers originally come to be there?

I mean did they OPT? Like all the Brits who opted to go to OZ with the assisted passage scheme yonks ago.

Or were they sort of commanded to go there by Turkey in some way or other?

In the same way, I do wonder about WHO first had the idea (the idea that has, to my mind definitely complicated things) of selling off GC owned land and property to foreigners?

Was it the TRNC authorities who came up with it (maybe thinking it would in some way 'concrete' their position, or at least make it a lot harder for those properties to be returned to rightful owners)? Or was it opportunist property developers and estate agents (a lot of them UK based in the earlier years) who were scratching around for business once properties in the South started looking a bit expensive for their ex pat buyers?

Because they weren't doing this on any scale for a long time after 74 were they? And the increase in development that you can see with your own eyes in the past 6 years or so is enormous (all ground to a halt now of course). But there was a time a few years back when you could drive up the panhandle say once a month and be astonished at the number of new dwellings being whacked up along there.

In the first few years after 1974 it seems that landless villagers, mainly from the Black Sea region of Turkey, were brought en masse and settled in vacated villages. Following that, since Turkish citizens could enter north Cyprus without visas, there has been a steady flow of migrants who have come on their own initiative in search of work and found their own accomodation.

[Tim Drayton]

You will see as we near settlemen that the EU will rush to prevent the free movement of settlers from moving to their countries.

The situation sounds complex, but it is not. Those that marry Cypriots get nationality. Those that do not get antionality can stay, provided they get residence permits issued by the central federal government, where there will be a mixed GC-TC staff to decide these things.

And while we are on this humanitarian kick, what about the humanitarian issues of people like me, who have been forced to live all their working lives outside Cyprus because of the invasion and occupation? Proportionately there are more TCs in this situation than GCs. As DT pointed out above, we cannot forget these people in fvor of settlers. We must not forget that settlers did not materialise out of thin air, they have hometowns and family in Turkey to go back to. Expatriated Cypriots have no other place to call home.

Nikitas, I have spoken to young people in their twenties who were born in Cyprus of mainland Turkish parents who will look you straight in the eye and say, without a hint of irony, "I was born in Cyprus. I am Cypriot. This is my home." The situation, after the passage of so many years, is not as cut and dried as some people imagine.

Hence all illegals and theirs kids MUST go. It is the only clear cut way.

SKI, eisai malaks re, we have enough peasants of our own we don't need 250k from Turkey. And what possible skills can they have that we don't. Are you serious, you are accpeting Turkeys Turkification of our country, who the F are you to agree these terms. Like I keep saying to a few other long distnce so called GC, get your arses back here then speak. How dare you try to determine our living conditions from afar.

Perhaps voting rights should only be afforded to permanent resident citizens, what will you do then??

Settlers out, troops out, Turkey FO, and the return of the refugees to their properties, these are our red lines.

Previously in this thread you have drawn a parallel with the UK, and suggested that what applies there should also apply here. Well, you will find that in the UK, the children of illegal immigrants who are born in the country are considered to be legal, irrespective of their parents' status.

[Get Real!]

It is easy to talk about settlers but we mustn't forget that they are human beings too who were sucked in by the spiral of the tragic events of 1974 and after. For this reason, their case can only be viewed on humanitarian principles. However, there is just one small hinge. There is a problem to be solved first and the issue of the settlers is not so much part of the problem as some think. If we can solve the other aspects of the problem, the issue of the settlers can be tackled on the basis of common sense. For example, those that were born here, will stay here, if they so wish. There is no other way about it, if we want our new start to be a good one, based on laws and principles.

You’re hallucinating again… Go back to sleep Bananiot, because the only laws you know are those on street signs...

[Bananiot]

I remember someone telling us that we should engage Turkey in war and and then call it off when our casualties reach 20 000. GR you have been found wanting, you simply are not taken seriously.

[Get Real!]

I remember someone telling us that we should engage Turkey in war and and then call it off when our casualties reach 20 000. GR you have been found wanting, you simply are not taken seriously.

How about a link to that?