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[erolz3]

by Dhruitis i believe you are reffering to Makarios Drousiotis?.....

Indeed I am. And I meant no disrespect in getting the names so badly wrong, I have trouble with names anyway, am dyslexic and have had a very long period withoput sleep. I should have looked up referances and got their proper names and I appologise for not doing so.

[fwnh]

by Dhruitis i believe you are reffering to Makarios Drousiotis?.....

Indeed I am. And I meant no disrespect in getting the names so badly wrong, I have trouble with names anyway, am dyslexic and have had a very long period withoput sleep. I should have looked up referances and got their proper names and I appologise for not doing so.

I do not think anyone would be offended by miss spelling... i believe most of us are not naitive english speakers anyway, and names are just names

[boulio]

For me personaly first and foremost an acceptance from GC that the achievment of enosis was not a right of GC such that it allowed for and justifed that no account at all should or needed to be given to the TC in Cyprus and what they wanted. An acceptance that for GC to chose to forgoe enosis in favour indepdance did not have to bee an expression of a denail of their will as CYpriots but could have been an expression of their exultation for the concept and ideal of a truely unitary cypriot people bonded in a commonality that was greater than their differences as Cypriots.

That would take me personaly to about 70% opf the way there. Everything else , the following 30% would hopefully flow relatively easily from there for me.

Things that help and would help (imo)

Every Charalambous Louca whatshisname (sorry am terrible with names) of the Cyprus mail, every Dhrouitis whathisname, every bannaniot, in short every GC that shows to me that there are GC who can see more than just our 'crimes'

A truth and reconcilliation comittee

A feeling that many GC do not just dismiss my concerns out of hand and immediately as being lies and manipulations that can only be motivated by a desire to gain personaly and materialy at their expense as a community.

Things that do NOT help.

Every denial of historical reality , from Papa T's 'no TC died at the hands of TC from 1963 onwards' (I paraphrase, can get the exact quote and link if you like) to ORacles whittering here.

A feeling that many GC do just dismiss my concerns out of hand and immediately as being lies and manipulations that can only be motivated by a desire to gain personaly and materialy at their expense as a community.

Being told I am an oppressor and invader and not a cypriot.

Being told that if I do not willingly give up my indentity and cultural background and assimilate into GC culture totaly, I am by defintion not a cypriot and should go away.

Being told to go away.

Being told that a bigger factor in why so many TC fled their homes in 64 was Turkish / TMT / TC violence and threat of violence against them and not GC violence and threat of violence.

I could go on but I am sure you have the idea. Thats all off the top of my head so to speak. Its actually an important question I think and I will try and give it the time and consideration it deserves as such and maybe post again.


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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch"

okay and then what ?what will the t/c propose for a solution as well as apologize for there past actions as well as turkey

[Bananiot]

Piratis constantly talks about principles. If we are a country that beholds principles, why the hell did we vote against the withdrawal of foreign troops (Russian) from Osetia?

[Malapapa]

What would convince you to join the struggle for justice and liberation for all the people of Cyprus?

For me personaly first and foremost an acceptance from GC that the achievment of enosis was not a right of GC such that it allowed for and justifed that no account at all should or needed to be given to the TC in Cyprus and what they wanted. An acceptance that for GC to chose to forgoe enosis in favour indepdance did not have to bee an expression of a denail of their will as CYpriots but could have been an expression of their exultation for the concept and ideal of a truely unitary cypriot people bonded in a commonality that was greater than their differences as Cypriots.

20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing. And as Cyprus is in the EU all this is now academic.

It's a bit like the citizens of Strasbourg still bickering over whether it was right for some to support the annexation of their city by France after the first world war, against the wishes of German speaking descendants of the Huns. What's done is done. Now, after the second world war, Strasbourg has turned into an important European city, a symbol of Franco-German cooperation, and the seat of the European Council and the wonderful European Court of Human Rights.

Of course that's because Germany is no longer Nazi.

Every Charalambous Louca whatshisname (sorry am terrible with names) of the Cyprus mail, every Dhrouitis whathisname, every bannaniot, in short every GC that shows to me that there are GC who can see more than just our 'crimes'

I don't think anyone sane on the free side would deny crimes weren't only perpetrated by the TCs. The coup of 1974 must surely rate as the biggest act of treachery in the island's history and that wasn't perpetrated by TCs.

A truth and reconcilliation comittee

A feeling that many GC do not just dismiss my concerns out of hand and immediately as being lies and manipulations that can only be motivated by a desire to gain personaly and materialy at their expense as a community.

Err, OK.

Things that do NOT help.

Every denial of historical reality , from Papa T's 'no TC died at the hands of TC from 1963 onwards' (I paraphrase, can get the exact quote and link if you like) to ORacles whittering here.

A feeling that many GC do just dismiss my concerns out of hand and immediately as being lies and manipulations that can only be motivated by a desire to gain personaly and materialy at their expense as a community.

Being told I am an oppressor and invader and not a cypriot.

If you were to side with free Cypriots in the liberation of their homeland against the oppressor and the invader, anyone still doing what you describe above would be a total (yia)loser and worthy of the utmost contempt.

Being told that if I do not willingly give up my indentity and cultural background and assimilate into GC culture totaly, I am by defintion not a cypriot and should go away.

Being told to go away.

I think you're over-playing this. Who Cypriot citizens choose to identify with culturally, in the privacy of their own homes, is up to them. Abide by the law, use legal means to challenge infringements of your human rights, and then be just who the hell you want to be; no one will give a flying fruitcake.

Being told that a bigger factor in why so many TC fled their homes in 64 was Turkish / TMT / TC violence and threat of violence against them and not GC violence and threat of violence.

Different perspectives but ultimately one for the historians to mull over. It was a long time ago. I wasn't even born, were you?

I could go on but I am sure you have the idea. Thats all off the top of my head so to speak. Its actually an important question I think and I will try and give it the time and consideration it deserves as such and maybe post again.

Cheers.

[YFred]

Piratis constantly talks about principles. If we are a country that beholds principles, why the hell did we vote against the withdrawal of foreign troops (Russian) from Osetia?

It's called selective principles. We follow the ones that suits us. Piratis is very good at that.

[boulio]

Piratis constantly talks about principles. If we are a country that beholds principles, why the hell did we vote against the withdrawal of foreign troops (Russian) from Osetia?

when was this?do you have a link?

[YFred]

Piratis constantly talks about principles. If we are a country that beholds principles, why the hell did we vote against the withdrawal of foreign troops (Russian) from Osetia?

when was this?do you have a link?

Have you just found out? Where have you been?

[YFred]

is there a link?if not shut uoyr hole.no one is speaking to you.

There is only one way to have a decent conversation on this forum and that is to talk to ones self. What are you talking about, shut your cake hole.
You mean to tell me you were not aware that roc voted against the Russians pulling their forces back. Shame on you. What is it with links, have the greeks been under turks for so long they can't throw away the chains? is that what it is? As a society you must be suffering Linkofile syndrome.

[Oracle]

Piratis constantly talks about principles. If we are a country that beholds principles, why the hell did we vote against the withdrawal of foreign troops (Russian) from Osetia?

Have you ever heard of the principle of 'right to survive'?