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[Oracle]

GR has met a worthy adversary here who challenges GRs 'credible evidence'.

You might want to ask your "worthy adversary" what the alternative is to the credible sources I use and pray that he isn't thinking of Gaddafi, Denktash, and Bozo the clown!

The 'worthy adversary' is challenging the accuracy of your 'credible sources' and nothing less.

I for one ask where does the figure of '200' come from. Why not 523 or 198? The figure of 200 seems like a numbr picked up from the air. If as Oracle claimed/indicated, why not say approximately 500 + or under 200 etc. You are always after 'credible evidence so we ought to expect 'accurate' figures. If they are not accurate, then they are not 'credible' IMO.

Deniz, I know your greatest ambition in life is to win an (even one) argument against Get Real! before you finally retire from the forum, but this is ridiculous

You need the help of a Greek .... GreekForumer to be precise!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 03&start=0

[Get Real!]

GR has met a worthy adversary here who challenges GRs 'credible evidence'.

You might want to ask your "worthy adversary" what the alternative is to the credible sources I use and pray that he isn't thinking of Gaddafi, Denktash, and Bozo the clown!

The 'worthy adversary' is challenging the accuracy of your 'credible sources' and nothing less.

I for one ask where does the figure of '200' come from. Why not 523 or 198? The figure of 200 seems like a numbr picked up from the air. If as Oracle claimed/indicated, why not say approximately 500 + or under 200 etc. You are always after 'credible evidence so we ought to expect 'accurate' figures. If they are not accurate, then they are not 'credible' IMO.

Deniz, I know your greatest ambition in life is to win an (even one) argument against Get Real! before you finally retire from the forum, but this is ridiculous

I think Deniz’ greatest gripe is that all these years he hadn’t realized that Turkish Cypriots have no legs to stand on, so it has hit him like a ton of bricks!

[denizaksulu]

GR has met a worthy adversary here who challenges GRs 'credible evidence'.

You might want to ask your "worthy adversary" what the alternative is to the credible sources I use and pray that he isn't thinking of Gaddafi, Denktash, and Bozo the clown!

The 'worthy adversary' is challenging the accuracy of your 'credible sources' and nothing less.

I for one ask where does the figure of '200' come from. Why not 523 or 198? The figure of 200 seems like a numbr picked up from the air. If as Oracle claimed/indicated, why not say approximately 500 + or under 200 etc. You are always after 'credible evidence so we ought to expect 'accurate' figures. If they are not accurate, then they are not 'credible' IMO.

But where did YOU get the "200" from?

If someone posts a figure then you’ve got every right to ask for credible evidence to back it…

From the CF.

My gripe is that no one had even read Gregorios100 link on TMT. The article stated that the aim of EOKA was also ENOSIS. Why was this article ignored when for the last few weeks we were all involved with this question. What I am challenging is what you decide is 'credible evidence'. If it does not suit your politics, then you just rubbish it. I am sure the Swedish author had his credible links too. Probably unbiased to boot.

Well I’m not responsible for every weirdo out there who comes in and posts whatever he thinks is good and credible! I set MY OWN standards and abide by them so those crossing swords with me would know what they’re up against, and those who choose not to… they’re smart!

I’ve always believed that one’s inability to CLOSE OFF an argument/debate within one or two posts of credible evidence, is doing a great disservice to one’s country so posters would be well advised to be well prepared with facts and a conclusion before embarking on a “debate” that could turn disastrous.

Ok, so lets hear no more of your claim that, 'EOKA did not fight for ENOSIS'. Matter closed.

[erolz3]

I set MY OWN standards and abide by them so those crossing swords with me would know what they’re up against, and those who choose not to… they’re smart!

And do these 'standards' of yours included taking a document written by the RoC and submitted TO the UN and then presnting it as the offical views OFF the UN with regard to Cyprus ?

Something you have done in the past, I might add, where you spent many posts trying to argue this RoC written document was a UN written one in the face of clear eviedence to the contrary and when it was finally shown beyond any doubt that this was the case you seem to just disaper from the discussion.

Or are these 'standards' new and no longer include such 'techniques' ?

[Oracle]

GR has met a worthy adversary here who challenges GRs 'credible evidence'.

You might want to ask your "worthy adversary" what the alternative is to the credible sources I use and pray that he isn't thinking of Gaddafi, Denktash, and Bozo the clown!

The 'worthy adversary' is challenging the accuracy of your 'credible sources' and nothing less.

I for one ask where does the figure of '200' come from. Why not 523 or 198? The figure of 200 seems like a numbr picked up from the air. If as Oracle claimed/indicated, why not say approximately 500 + or under 200 etc. You are always after 'credible evidence so we ought to expect 'accurate' figures. If they are not accurate, then they are not 'credible' IMO.

But where did YOU get the "200" from?

If someone posts a figure then you’ve got every right to ask for credible evidence to back it…

From the CF.

My gripe is that no one had even read Gregorios100 link on TMT. The article stated that the aim of EOKA was also ENOSIS. Why was this article ignored when for the last few weeks we were all involved with this question. What I am challenging is what you decide is 'credible evidence'. If it does not suit your politics, then you just rubbish it. I am sure the Swedish author had his credible links too. Probably unbiased to boot.

Well I’m not responsible for every weirdo out there who comes in and posts whatever he thinks is good and credible! I set MY OWN standards and abide by them so those crossing swords with me would know what they’re up against, and those who choose not to… they’re smart!

I’ve always believed that one’s inability to CLOSE OFF an argument/debate within one or two posts of credible evidence, is doing a great disservice to one’s country so posters would be well advised to be well prepared with facts and a conclusion before embarking on a “debate” that could turn disastrous.

Ok, so lets hear no more of your claim that, 'EOKA did not fight for ENOSIS'. Matter closed.

EOKA did not fight for Enosis. Full stop. They fought for freedom from foreigners. Enosis may have been a consequence once we were free from foreigners either as a way to prevent further re-invasions; or, formed in the loosest sense of how the Hellenic world operates .... a brotherhood of common western ideals of democracy. But, this has always troubled the Turks ...

[erolz3]

EOKA did not fight for Enosis. Full stop.

From UN document S/6253 26 March 1965

REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS MEDIATOR ON CYPRUS
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL

Archbishop Makarios and members of the Government acknowledged that Enosis had been the original aim of the uprising against British rule and that it remained a strong aspiration among the Greek-Cypriot community.

Oracle you are attempting to re write history. Full stop.

[Viewpoint]

Erol these people will say anything to suit their cause its frightening. A clear indication of how a future would be with this type of dangerous mindset.

[georgios100]

Deniz, by my standards this “Thomas Blom Hansen” is not credible evidence so I would never use any of his material against the TMT, and by the same token I wouldn’t think much of any of his EOKA allegations.

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle01.htm

George makes his thread even less appealing by failing to quote the sections he wants to highlight and that's the main reason why it's not going anywhere. Asking readers to just read many pages of text never leads to a meaningful discussion evidenced by the lack of responses.

Out of interest why do you not you not think he is credible (I say this without even reading his text) just interested to know what your criteria is?

I was on the Internet "Google-ing" TMT and found a few entries.


I posted this link for information purposes only. Understanding what was going on back then might help explain why we are in the current situation today.

Not sure if the writer of this book is a "reliable source". Certain segments contained in these pages appear "sketchy" at best.

Never intended to provoke anyone on this board.

Georgios100

[denizaksulu]

EOKA did not fight for Enosis. Full stop.

From UN document S/6253 26 March 1965

REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS MEDIATOR ON CYPRUS
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL

Archbishop Makarios and members of the Government acknowledged that Enosis had been the original aim of the uprising against British rule and that it remained a strong aspiration among the Greek-Cypriot community.

Oracle you are attempting to re write history. Full stop.

How dare you quote credible evidence from the UN.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, by my standards this “Thomas Blom Hansen” is not credible evidence so I would never use any of his material against the TMT, and by the same token I wouldn’t think much of any of his EOKA allegations.

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle01.htm

George makes his thread even less appealing by failing to quote the sections he wants to highlight and that's the main reason why it's not going anywhere. Asking readers to just read many pages of text never leads to a meaningful discussion evidenced by the lack of responses.

Out of interest why do you not you not think he is credible (I say this without even reading his text) just interested to know what your criteria is?

I was on the Internet "Google-ing" TMT and found a few entries.


I posted this link for information purposes only. Understanding what was going on back then might help explain why we are in the current situation today.

Not sure if the writer of this book is a "reliable source". Certain segments contained in these pages appear "sketchy" at best.

Never intended to provoke anyone on this board.

Georgios100

Georgios, Hi.

I hope you have had a nice Sunday.

The reason I picked on this subject was that for the last few weeks, the forum members were discussing/debating what the aim of EOKA was (apart from liberation from the colonial powers). That they fought for ENOSIS was on occasion vehemently denied, though some said a few EOKA members may have fought for ENOSIS.

I am 65 years old and remember very well the anti British demonstrations in Kyrenia together with its slogans for EOKA and ENOSIS (1965-57). The shouting of the slogans still ring in my ears. I have seen the Greek Cypriots rioting and fighting with the British soldiers. I remember the tear gas, the gymnasio students, the populace all chanting EOKA and ENOSIS. The funny thing of this here was that I too was shuting with them; I did not have a clue what these words meant till I went home and asked. There I was told that the Greek Cypriots were chanting for union with Greece. No mention was made of independence from colonial rule (as far as I remember).

That is why the authors statement on page 105 aroused me.
Thanks to Erolz3, we also have the UN quote too.