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[Get Real!]

If I get you a UN link (acceptable as stated within your own website) will you say that 200 is the correct figure?

We’re just going to have to wait to find out…

By your own websites rules, I am asking you to stand firm, will you do it?

PS you you have not answered my questions about being a fascist?

but you admit being a racist, at least you are honest.

You don’t have a link to supply and are thus wasting my time.

The UN and similar authorized organizations are certainly not infallible but they’re the best we’ve got so by cross-referencing information from two or more credible sources (where possible) we can get a fair account of an event.

Im am using the criteria of your own website, if you dont believe that I have a link ( you may be right about this) all you have to do is admit that If I provide the link then you will admit that the figure of 200 is accurate and stand firm to this for all your time on the forum... just say the word and then it will be on me to provide the link.

Your hypothetical nonsense is not going anywhere so stop making a fool of yourself.

[denizaksulu]

GR has met a worthy adversary here who challenges GRs 'credible evidence'.

You might want to ask your "worthy adversary" what the alternative is to the credible sources I use and pray that he isn't thinking of Gaddafi, Denktash, and Bozo the clown!

The 'worthy adversary' is challenging the accuracy of your 'credible sources' and nothing less.

I for one ask where does the figure of '200' come from. Why not 523 or 198? The figure of 200 seems like a numbr picked up from the air. If as Oracle claimed/indicated, why not say approximately 500 + or under 200 etc. You are always after 'credible evidence so we ought to expect 'accurate' figures. If they are not accurate, then they are not 'credible' IMO.

[Get Real!]

GR has met a worthy adversary here who challenges GRs 'credible evidence'.

You might want to ask your "worthy adversary" what the alternative is to the credible sources I use and pray that he isn't thinking of Gaddafi, Denktash, and Bozo the clown!

The 'worthy adversary' is challenging the accuracy of your 'credible sources' and nothing less.

I for one ask where does the figure of '200' come from. Why not 523 or 198? The figure of 200 seems like a numbr picked up from the air. If as Oracle claimed/indicated, why not say approximately 500 + or under 200 etc. You are always after 'credible evidence so we ought to expect 'accurate' figures. If they are not accurate, then they are not 'credible' IMO.

But where did YOU get the "200" from?

If someone posts a figure then you’ve got every right to ask for credible evidence to back it…

[Paphitis]

Deniz, by my standards this “Thomas Blom Hansen” is not credible evidence so I would never use any of his material against the TMT, and by the same token I wouldn’t think much of any of his EOKA allegations.

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle01.htm

George makes his thread even less appealing by failing to quote the sections he wants to highlight and that's the main reason why it's not going anywhere. Asking readers to just read many pages of text never leads to a meaningful discussion evidenced by the lack of responses.

Out of interest why do you not you not think he is credible (I say this without even reading his text) just interested to know what your criteria is?

This small article should explain why...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle29.htm

Ok so its just basically the UN amongst a few others that you claim is a credible source of evidence - So the UN say there were 200 rapes in 1974 would this be a number that you would agree with? because As a TC I recognise that this number is most probably not the complete picture.

By the way I think that even one Rape is too much, so I am in no way trying to justify anything, just trying to see where you are going with this.

Let me put it this way… if organizations like the UN and the Red Cross which specialize and were ASSIGNED the job of conducting country-wide investigations of a wide variety, cannot extract the most accurate statistics then I don’t know who can…

Organisations such as the UN, or the Red Cross are not the only credible sources.

If the official UN source states that there were 200 GC rape victims, then they no doubt mean that there were 200 reported rape victims. There are probably many more rapes that have gone unreported. Another very good source about GC rape victims are the British Archives in London, since they actually recorded the number of abortions they carried out in the SBAs. GC women went to the Brits to carry out abortions, in private, because they could not bear to live with the stigma and prejudices of our society!

[denizaksulu]

GR has met a worthy adversary here who challenges GRs 'credible evidence'.

You might want to ask your "worthy adversary" what the alternative is to the credible sources I use and pray that he isn't thinking of Gaddafi, Denktash, and Bozo the clown!

The 'worthy adversary' is challenging the accuracy of your 'credible sources' and nothing less.

I for one ask where does the figure of '200' come from. Why not 523 or 198? The figure of 200 seems like a numbr picked up from the air. If as Oracle claimed/indicated, why not say approximately 500 + or under 200 etc. You are always after 'credible evidence so we ought to expect 'accurate' figures. If they are not accurate, then they are not 'credible' IMO.

But where did YOU get the "200" from?

If someone posts a figure then you’ve got every right to ask for credible evidence to back it…

From the CF.

My gripe is that no one had even read Gregorios100 link on TMT. The article stated that the aim of EOKA was also ENOSIS. Why was this article ignored when for the last few weeks we were all involved with this question. What I am challenging is what you decide is 'credible evidence'. If it does not suit your politics, then you just rubbish it. I am sure the Swedish author had his credible links too. Probably unbiased to boot.

[Get Real!]

GR has met a worthy adversary here who challenges GRs 'credible evidence'.

You might want to ask your "worthy adversary" what the alternative is to the credible sources I use and pray that he isn't thinking of Gaddafi, Denktash, and Bozo the clown!

The 'worthy adversary' is challenging the accuracy of your 'credible sources' and nothing less.

I for one ask where does the figure of '200' come from. Why not 523 or 198? The figure of 200 seems like a numbr picked up from the air. If as Oracle claimed/indicated, why not say approximately 500 + or under 200 etc. You are always after 'credible evidence so we ought to expect 'accurate' figures. If they are not accurate, then they are not 'credible' IMO.

But where did YOU get the "200" from?

If someone posts a figure then you’ve got every right to ask for credible evidence to back it…

From the CF.

My gripe is that no one had even read Gregorios100 link on TMT. The article stated that the aim of EOKA was also ENOSIS. Why was this article ignored when for the last few weeks we were all involved with this question. What I am challenging is what you decide is 'credible evidence'. If it does not suit your politics, then you just rubbish it. I am sure the Swedish author had his credible links too. Probably unbiased to boot.

Well I’m not responsible for every weirdo out there who comes in and posts whatever he thinks is good and credible! I set MY OWN standards and abide by them so those crossing swords with me would know what they’re up against, and those who choose not to… they’re smart!

I’ve always believed that one’s inability to CLOSE OFF an argument/debate within one or two posts of credible evidence, is doing a great disservice to one’s country so posters would be well advised to be well prepared with facts and a conclusion before embarking on a “debate” that could turn disastrous.

[Get Real!]

Deniz, by my standards this “Thomas Blom Hansen” is not credible evidence so I would never use any of his material against the TMT, and by the same token I wouldn’t think much of any of his EOKA allegations.

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle01.htm

George makes his thread even less appealing by failing to quote the sections he wants to highlight and that's the main reason why it's not going anywhere. Asking readers to just read many pages of text never leads to a meaningful discussion evidenced by the lack of responses.

Out of interest why do you not you not think he is credible (I say this without even reading his text) just interested to know what your criteria is?

This small article should explain why...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle29.htm

Ok so its just basically the UN amongst a few others that you claim is a credible source of evidence - So the UN say there were 200 rapes in 1974 would this be a number that you would agree with? because As a TC I recognise that this number is most probably not the complete picture.

By the way I think that even one Rape is too much, so I am in no way trying to justify anything, just trying to see where you are going with this.

Let me put it this way… if organizations like the UN and the Red Cross which specialize and were ASSIGNED the job of conducting country-wide investigations of a wide variety, cannot extract the most accurate statistics then I don’t know who can…

Organisations such as the UN, or the Red Cross are not the only credible sources.

If the official UN source states that there were 200 GC rape victims, then they no doubt mean that there were 200 reported rape victims. There are probably many more rapes that have gone unreported. Another very good source about GC rape victims are the British Archives in London, since they actually recorded the number of abortions they carried out in the SBAs. GC women went to the Brits to carry out abortions, in private, because they could not bear to live with the stigma and prejudices of our society!

There’s not a doubt that rape victims are difficult to quantify due to the sensitive nature of the abuse which is why I wouldn’t dwell in rape figures, and especially considering that there are very credible fatality stats to worry about which carry far more weight.

[Paphitis]

Deniz, by my standards this “Thomas Blom Hansen” is not credible evidence so I would never use any of his material against the TMT, and by the same token I wouldn’t think much of any of his EOKA allegations.

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle01.htm

George makes his thread even less appealing by failing to quote the sections he wants to highlight and that's the main reason why it's not going anywhere. Asking readers to just read many pages of text never leads to a meaningful discussion evidenced by the lack of responses.

Out of interest why do you not you not think he is credible (I say this without even reading his text) just interested to know what your criteria is?

This small article should explain why...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle29.htm

Ok so its just basically the UN amongst a few others that you claim is a credible source of evidence - So the UN say there were 200 rapes in 1974 would this be a number that you would agree with? because As a TC I recognise that this number is most probably not the complete picture.

By the way I think that even one Rape is too much, so I am in no way trying to justify anything, just trying to see where you are going with this.

Let me put it this way… if organizations like the UN and the Red Cross which specialize and were ASSIGNED the job of conducting country-wide investigations of a wide variety, cannot extract the most accurate statistics then I don’t know who can…

Organisations such as the UN, or the Red Cross are not the only credible sources.

If the official UN source states that there were 200 GC rape victims, then they no doubt mean that there were 200 reported rape victims. There are probably many more rapes that have gone unreported. Another very good source about GC rape victims are the British Archives in London, since they actually recorded the number of abortions they carried out in the SBAs. GC women went to the Brits to carry out abortions, in private, because they could not bear to live with the stigma and prejudices of our society!

There’s not a doubt that rape victims are difficult to quantify due to the sensitive nature of the abuse which is why I wouldn’t dwell in rape figures, and especially considering that there are very credible fatality stats to worry about which carry far more weight.

Agree with you, but I don't believe fatality stats carry more weight than the rape victims. Rape victims have to live with their ordeal, and many have still not recovered from their ordeal and continue to suffer in silence. What you say kind of belittles their suffering.

[Oracle]

Deniz, by my standards this “Thomas Blom Hansen” is not credible evidence so I would never use any of his material against the TMT, and by the same token I wouldn’t think much of any of his EOKA allegations.

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle01.htm

George makes his thread even less appealing by failing to quote the sections he wants to highlight and that's the main reason why it's not going anywhere. Asking readers to just read many pages of text never leads to a meaningful discussion evidenced by the lack of responses.

Out of interest why do you not you not think he is credible (I say this without even reading his text) just interested to know what your criteria is?

This small article should explain why...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle29.htm

Ok so its just basically the UN amongst a few others that you claim is a credible source of evidence - So the UN say there were 200 rapes in 1974 would this be a number that you would agree with? because As a TC I recognise that this number is most probably not the complete picture.

By the way I think that even one Rape is too much, so I am in no way trying to justify anything, just trying to see where you are going with this.

Let me put it this way… if organizations like the UN and the Red Cross which specialize and were ASSIGNED the job of conducting country-wide investigations of a wide variety, cannot extract the most accurate statistics then I don’t know who can…

Organisations such as the UN, or the Red Cross are not the only credible sources.

If the official UN source states that there were 200 GC rape victims, then they no doubt mean that there were 200 reported rape victims. There are probably many more rapes that have gone unreported. Another very good source about GC rape victims are the British Archives in London, since they actually recorded the number of abortions they carried out in the SBAs. GC women went to the Brits to carry out abortions, in private, because they could not bear to live with the stigma and prejudices of our society!

There’s not a doubt that rape victims are difficult to quantify due to the sensitive nature of the abuse which is why I wouldn’t dwell in rape figures, and especially considering that there are very credible fatality stats to worry about which carry far more weight.

Agree with you, but I don't believe fatality stats carry more weight than the rape victims. Rape victims have to live with their ordeal, and many have still not recovered from their ordeal and continue to suffer in silence. What you say kind of belittles their suffering.

Fatality figures carry more weight because they are more reliable, not because of the emotive nature of the crime. One reported rape is equal to 5, 10, 20, 70 or what actual figure for unreported cases? It also offers little by way of further quantifying the crime since some GC women were reportedly raped many times by many different Turks. Also many were raped and then killed. You would need a separate category ...

[Paphitis]

Deniz, by my standards this “Thomas Blom Hansen” is not credible evidence so I would never use any of his material against the TMT, and by the same token I wouldn’t think much of any of his EOKA allegations.

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle01.htm

George makes his thread even less appealing by failing to quote the sections he wants to highlight and that's the main reason why it's not going anywhere. Asking readers to just read many pages of text never leads to a meaningful discussion evidenced by the lack of responses.

Out of interest why do you not you not think he is credible (I say this without even reading his text) just interested to know what your criteria is?

This small article should explain why...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle29.htm

Ok so its just basically the UN amongst a few others that you claim is a credible source of evidence - So the UN say there were 200 rapes in 1974 would this be a number that you would agree with? because As a TC I recognise that this number is most probably not the complete picture.

By the way I think that even one Rape is too much, so I am in no way trying to justify anything, just trying to see where you are going with this.

Let me put it this way… if organizations like the UN and the Red Cross which specialize and were ASSIGNED the job of conducting country-wide investigations of a wide variety, cannot extract the most accurate statistics then I don’t know who can…

Organisations such as the UN, or the Red Cross are not the only credible sources.

If the official UN source states that there were 200 GC rape victims, then they no doubt mean that there were 200 reported rape victims. There are probably many more rapes that have gone unreported. Another very good source about GC rape victims are the British Archives in London, since they actually recorded the number of abortions they carried out in the SBAs. GC women went to the Brits to carry out abortions, in private, because they could not bear to live with the stigma and prejudices of our society!

There’s not a doubt that rape victims are difficult to quantify due to the sensitive nature of the abuse which is why I wouldn’t dwell in rape figures, and especially considering that there are very credible fatality stats to worry about which carry far more weight.

Agree with you, but I don't believe fatality stats carry more weight than the rape victims. Rape victims have to live with their ordeal, and many have still not recovered from their ordeal and continue to suffer in silence. What you say kind of belittles their suffering.

Fatality figures carry more weight because they are more reliable, not because of the emotive nature of the crime. One reported rape is equal to 5, 10, 20, 70 or what actual figure for unreported cases? It also offers little by way of further quantifying the crime since some GC women were reportedly raped many times by many different Turks.

Not a problem!

Fatality figures carry more weight because they are reliable but one fatality(for example) does not carry more weight than one rape victim. Both are as ghastly as each other!

There are definitely many more unreported rapes. Who knows how many out there need to deal with their trauma with little or no help at all!

Agree 100%