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[Adam3777]

Do you guys feel that the USA took part in dividing Cyprus? I know that it was the USA that helped to start the Coup in Greece (CIA) claiming the outrageous claim that they were "thwarting communism"( TOTALLY BS). And as I've learned it, the USA didn't exactly have a fondness for Archbishop Makarios because he was nuetral, and the USA hated that. So, the second guy put into power by the Coup in Greece is the one who tried to make Cyprus a part of Greece, some would say, because the USA wanted it that way. This therefore gave Turkey the excuse to invade the island... and you have what we have today...

I know there were other things also leading to the invasion... but I'm talking to the specific thing that triggared it... So my question is... do you feel that the USA is partly to blame for the invasion of Cyprus and the subsequent division?

[demetriou_74]

well just look what the USA/britain gained out of the war. the divide and conquer tactic. both got very nice bases to refill their army before they bomb inoccent people in iraq, afghanistan and the next counrty that does not give them oil

[erolz]

Do you guys feel that the USA took part in dividing Cyprus?

The US, the UK, Turkey, Greece and the world (through the UN mainly) have all played a part in the mess that is CYprus today imo, but we should accept that the bulk of 'blame' for the state of Cyprus today rest with Cypriots imo.

[turkcyp]

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[Main_Source]

Fact - The military junta who backed EOKA B, had strong links with the CIA, who helped them into power (Just look at how many other military leaders have been put in power by the USA...Saddam, Pinochet).

Fact - the British employed Turkish Cypriot policemen to do a lot of their dirty work against GC.

[turkcyp]

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[Mills Chapman]

Adam3777,

I'm an American, one w/o GC, G, T, or TC ties, so I thought I would point out one thing that you forgot in your list of dirty American laundry: Apparently Kissinger knew that Turkey was going to land on Cyprus in '74 but he did not object because a) he didn't want to jeopardize the U.S. nukes in Turkey pointed towards Moscow and b) he did not want it to appear that he was favoring one NATO partner (Greece) over another (Turkey). In all honesty, I'm not sure if Turkey would have kept out its military had Kissinger insisted, but I fathom that they were keen at the time - and still to this day - to keep excellent relations with the U.S. Kissinger could have said something to Ankara but apparently stayed silent. In the summer of '74 Cyprus indirectly got it on both ends from the U.S.

I don't want to sound like an American apologist however. If I were working as Nixon's secretary of state and thus one who presumably had to subscribe to the domino theory in order to keep his job, I probably would have taken the same stance that Kissinger did. The Nixon administration - remember, Nixon was a paranoid hater of Communists - had visions of Cyprus becoming a Mediterranean Cuba that could host a Soviet base and then grab the Suez (this is probably close to what Nixon had in mind).

Best wishes from "the land of the free and the home of the brave." - Mills

[gabaston]

mills chapman

i thought the turkish based usa nukes were removed during the cuba missile crissis.

the big question re usa 74 involvment is did usa instgate the coup, in order to give turkey a reason to invade?

[Saint Jimmy]

mills chapman

i thought the turkish based usa nukes were removed during the cuba missile crissis.

Yeah, I thought so, too.
Then again, that's just what the movie said.

the big question re usa 74 involvment is did usa instgate the coup, in order to give turkey a reason to invade?

I would think that it's pretty clear, given the evidence so far, that this is not the case.
I read a book entitled "Kissinger's secret files: the decision for partition", in which the authors clearly set out to determine the U.S. blame factor in the whole thing, and Kissinger's role.
All I got from it was that Kissinger did, in fact, know about the plans to invade, and of the decision to go through with the invasion, but chose to act somewhat ineffectively, by sending a weak delegation to resolve the crisis. He explicitly denies having done so knowingly and purposefully, however. In addition, there is evidence that suggests that he resented Makarios personally.
There is also a relevant (and highly interesting) Kissinger interview in the appendix of O'Malley and Craig's "The Cyprus Conspiracy: America, Espionage and the Turkish Invasion".

[Murtaza]

[quote="turkcyp"]I do not know if you know Nasreddin Hoca. He is a fictional character that has a lot of parables. One of them goes like this.

[quote]

Turkcyp, he is not a fictional character, He is a real character.
but some of his stories are fictional