Cyprus-Forum.com

[vaughanwilliams]

Well Setfi you self-righteous prick what have you done! Jack shit that's what. Only the continuation of the oppression of Turkish Cypriots and the objection to all the promises made by the EU to Turkish Cypriots in 2004.

Before you open your stupid mouth, you should find out how many of your non-tax paying gypsies are getting jobs, free medicare, social security, unemployment benefit, child allowance, and many other benefits.

Are you saying that TCs work in RoC and don't pay NI Stamp and PAYE?

Around 10-12k who work here do, but the remaining 50-60k who don't pay fuck-all!

Who are these 50-60k?

All up the "TC" population in the occupied territory is 65-75K odd.

TCs should be able to get jobs in RoC and pay their taxes, - it's their RoC as much as yours, isn't it?
As for free medical care - if it's available free to all Cypriots, tax payers or not (just like the UK NHS) aren't TCs Cypriots?

I don’t think we can handle any more at the moment unless they stop importing foreign workers.

If social security, dole, child allowance , etc., are free to all Cypriots, aren't TCs Cypriots too?
You insist that there is only one Cyprus with one government, yet you sound like you don't want to include TCs in your RoC.

I only respect tax paying citizens and have no respect for bludgers. If you’re not contributing then you should not come here and request anything.

GR,

The situation you are decribing is well known in the UK. Many people there have never paid a penny of tax but claim all the benefits they are entitled to. TCs fall into this category by default and it is the entitlement that you should object to not the TCs benefitting from it. It is their RoC as much as yours and they are only following the rules. If you don't like the rules, get them changed, but dont blame the TCs. I often read posts decrying TCs for applying for RoC passports, but it is the passport of their RoC as much as it is yours.
The RoC belongs to all Cypriots, doesn't it?

The passports don’t worry me, but there’s an increasing number of us here who are starting to get pissed off that a relatively large number of people (non tax contributing TCs) are taking advantage of the system (bludging) while harboring the enemy! All I’m saying is… if you’re paying tax to the “TRNC” then don’t come here for free services and vice versa.

The resentment here is growing…

We have many people in the UK who bludge off the state and do not even consider themselves part of the British nation. The problem is they were born in "our" country and it is their country as much as it is anyone elses who was born there. The situation you are describing in RoC is similar and I can see where you would be less than happy (as a taxpayer) but nevertheless it is their (TCs) country as much as it is yours and you are stuck with it. Your problem really is that you are stuck with TC "bludging" and you can't stop it, as this might suggest a hidden agenda - i.e. to make Cyprus and the RoC a GC nation.
Like I said before, if the "rules" regarding benefits don't suit the taxpayer, get them changed, but be aware how others might see it.

[B25]

VW,

before you can claim it it as much their RoC as yours, you need to ask yourself, why is it they don't recognise the RoC, pay no dues to the RoC, hate anthing RoC, live in the occupied and support the enemy of the RoC and then have the audacity to come to the RoC and get all the benefits.

And you have the nerve to say "it is theirs as much as yours", like fuck it is.

if they want to be included they have to respect the RoC in all repsects as citizens before they are entitled to anything.

northern cyprus is mine as much as theres, can i go and get my land, a job, medical, benefits, fuck no.

Cheeky bastard how dare you and them.

[grokked]

For those who may have missed it, a video of the full debate at the European Parliament about Croatia, Fyrom and Turkey's possible accession to the EU, is available online at:

http://www.archive.org/details/European ... fCyprusnow

[vaughanwilliams]

VW,

before you can claim it it as much their RoC as yours, you need to ask yourself, why is it they don't recognise the RoC, pay no dues to the RoC, hate anthing RoC, live in the occupied and support the enemy of the RoC and then have the audacity to come to the RoC and get all the benefits.

And you have the nerve to say "it is theirs as much as yours", like fuck it is.

if they want to be included they have to respect the RoC in all repsects as citizens before they are entitled to anything.

northern cyprus is mine as much as theres, can i go and get my land, a job, medical, benefits, fuck no.

Cheeky bastard how dare you and them.

I didn't say it was "as much their RoC as yours (mine)". At no time did I say it was mine.
I think you have failed to understand what I have posted, in as much as the RoC belongs to them as much as it does to you. You say, and I might agree with your sentiments, ".. they have to respect the RoC in all repsects(sic) as citizens before they are entitled to anything." Bad news is they don't have to at all. Citizenship for a Native of a country is a given - it doesn't have to be earned. You are either entitled to it, or you aren't.
If you want to say that they live somewhere else than RoC then you recognise TRNC. Once you have done that your game is up.
If you say they live in a part of Cyprus temporarily not under the control of the gov, blah, blah. Then you admit they live in the RoC, and that makes them citizens.
In other words:
You are buggered if you do and buggered if you don't.

[Malapapa]

VW,

before you can claim it it as much their RoC as yours, you need to ask yourself, why is it they don't recognise the RoC, pay no dues to the RoC, hate anthing RoC, live in the occupied and support the enemy of the RoC and then have the audacity to come to the RoC and get all the benefits.

And you have the nerve to say "it is theirs as much as yours", like fuck it is.

if they want to be included they have to respect the RoC in all repsects as citizens before they are entitled to anything.

northern cyprus is mine as much as theres, can i go and get my land, a job, medical, benefits, fuck no.

Cheeky bastard how dare you and them.

I didn't say it was "as much their RoC as yours (mine)". At no time did I say it was mine.
I think you have failed to understand what I have posted, in as much as the RoC belongs to them as much as it does to you. You say, and I might agree with your sentiments, ".. they have to respect the RoC in all repsects(sic) as citizens before they are entitled to anything." Bad news is they don't have to at all. Citizenship for a Native of a country is a given - it doesn't have to be earned. You are either entitled to it, or you aren't.
If you want to say that they live somewhere else than RoC then you recognise TRNC. Once you have done that your game is up.
If you say they live in a part of Cyprus temporarily not under the control of the gov, blah, blah. Then you admit they live in the RoC, and that makes them citizens.
In other words:
You are buggered if you do and buggered if you don't.

And you're buggered too in the north - whenever you want, sicko... just ask and I'm sure one of these fine gentlemen will oblige.

[vaughanwilliams]

VW,

before you can claim it it as much their RoC as yours, you need to ask yourself, why is it they don't recognise the RoC, pay no dues to the RoC, hate anthing RoC, live in the occupied and support the enemy of the RoC and then have the audacity to come to the RoC and get all the benefits.

And you have the nerve to say "it is theirs as much as yours", like fuck it is.

if they want to be included they have to respect the RoC in all repsects as citizens before they are entitled to anything.

northern cyprus is mine as much as theres, can i go and get my land, a job, medical, benefits, fuck no.

Cheeky bastard how dare you and them.

I didn't say it was "as much their RoC as yours (mine)". At no time did I say it was mine.
I think you have failed to understand what I have posted, in as much as the RoC belongs to them as much as it does to you. You say, and I might agree with your sentiments, ".. they have to respect the RoC in all repsects(sic) as citizens before they are entitled to anything." Bad news is they don't have to at all. Citizenship for a Native of a country is a given - it doesn't have to be earned. You are either entitled to it, or you aren't.
If you want to say that they live somewhere else than RoC then you recognise TRNC. Once you have done that your game is up.
If you say they live in a part of Cyprus temporarily not under the control of the gov, blah, blah. Then you admit they live in the RoC, and that makes them citizens.
In other words:
You are buggered if you do and buggered if you don't.

And you're buggered too in the north - whenever you want, sicko... just ask and I'm sure one of these fine gentlemen will oblige.

From the smile on his face, I'd say he just caught sight of you.