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[Viewpoint]

However as you are a student I will save you the trouble of having to use your own brain at all.

Don't get stroppy mate, just because you're used to debating with a bunch of monkeys on the cy44 forum who never question any of your "facts."

Thankyou for providing the link, as you know this was the lead up to the Green Line regulation which is a policy the Government of Cyprus has been trying to implement for some time.

As with your sports "isolation" when TC's freely throw around the phrase "politics has no room in sports." They don't realise for a moment the hypocrisy of all this when they are given every chance of competing internationally via the official federations, but refuse due to....you guessed it..politics.

The EU cannot and never will implement a policy of direct trade with the occupation regime, how did you guys ever think otherwise?

That time will come, all you GCs have to do is keep up the good work of being the obstacle to solution.

[erolz3]

Don't get stroppy mate, just because you're used to debating with a bunch of monkeys on the cy44 forum who never question any of your "facts."

I am sorry if it sounded stroppy, I have no problem with people questioning facts. Its just frustrating when they still question them AFTER the evidence has already been given a few posts ago as well as years ago and then ask for the same evidence AGAIN.

The EU cannot and never will implement a policy of direct trade with the occupation regime, how did you guys ever think otherwise?

Did you even look at the second link that was the result of the EU comissions comprehensive proposals to end the isolation of the TC community. Shall I post the relenat section of that document AGAIN

It also proposed a regulation to facilitate direct trade from the the northern part of Cyprus.

So the Council of European Union set the policy - determination to end isolation of TC community. It asked the EU commission to draw up proposals. The EU comission proposed amongst other things dricet trade with the North.

So how could we ever think direct trade is something that the EU could implement ? Because it is what the EU comission proposed !

[vaughanwilliams]

I have no idea what you mean ? What 'it' do you refer to ? The commitment made by the European Council to the TC community were signed and agreed by all members of the EU including the RoC. It is offical EU policy, set by the highest policy setting body in the EU and agreed and signed by representatives of all EU members.

What is really telling is that 6 years AFTER this was done, and despite irrefutable primary source evidence being presented here many times, still there are GC suggesting no such comittment was ever made or that the commitments were the actions one vogue indivdual.

"It"is what exactly constitutes "to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot community"

259 million euros and green line regutlations yes,direct trade and flights no.In a way the eu could argue and so can the republic that the measures they took has helped towards the removal of t/c isolation as has the issuence of pasports and work and health care in the ROC.

What have the t/c done according to this statement:

The Council invited the Commission to bring forward comprehensive proposals to this end, with particular emphasis on the economic integration of the island and on improving contact between the two communities and with the EU

Anything ?

It's no good commenting about the:
"...issuence of pasports (sic) and work and health care in the ROC." as if this was a concession generously made by a munificent RoC to ungrateful TCs, when you know that TCs are Cypriots just as much as GCs are and are ENTITLED to these things under the laws and constitution of the RoC. If you suggest, even for a moment, that they are not entitled because they don't live in "your" bit of Cyprus, then you admit to the existence of the TRNC.

[boulio]

It's no good commenting about the:
"...issuence of pasports (sic) and work and health care in the ROC." as if this was a concession generously made by a munificent RoC to ungrateful TCs, when you know that TCs are Cypriots just as much as GCs are and are ENTITLED to these things under the laws and constitution of the RoC. If you suggest, even for a moment, that they are not entitled because they don't live in "your" bit of Cyprus, then you admit to the existence of the TRNC.

what im suggesting is the ROC IS FACILITATING THE T/C WITH THE ABOVE MEASURSES WHILE IN THE SAME BREATH THE T/C ARE SUPPORTING THE OCCUPATIONAL REGIME.IM MOST COUNTRIES THIS WOULD BE GROUNDS FOR TREASON.

[Viewpoint]

It's no good commenting about the:
"...issuence of pasports (sic) and work and health care in the ROC." as if this was a concession generously made by a munificent RoC to ungrateful TCs, when you know that TCs are Cypriots just as much as GCs are and are ENTITLED to these things under the laws and constitution of the RoC. If you suggest, even for a moment, that they are not entitled because they don't live in "your" bit of Cyprus, then you admit to the existence of the TRNC.

what im suggesting is the ROC IS FACILITATING THE T/C WITH THE ABOVE MEASURSES WHILE IN THE SAME BREATH THE T/C ARE SUPPORTING THE OCCUPATIONAL REGIME.IM MOST COUNTRIES THIS WOULD BE GROUNDS FOR TREASON.

Why dont the GCs stop facilitating the TCs? I can assure you its not out of love.

[Kikapu]

Who paid this guy?

Errrr, Turkey perhaps.?

What are you saying, that any employee of any institution can make promises on their own accord using any interpretation they may want to use and then give them to anyone without the direct permission given by that institute, which you are saying that, that institute is accountable to the actions of a madman. What are you, a madman.?

[Viewpoint]

Who paid this guy?

Errrr, Turkey perhaps.?

What are you saying, that any employee of any institution can make promises on their own accord using any interpretation they may want to use and then give them to anyone without the direct permission given by that institute, which you are saying that, that institute is accountable to the actions of a madman. What are you, a madman.?

If the cap fits then so be it, isnt it the same when anyone makes a statement slightly in favor of the TCs GCs immediately question what they recieved in payment to take our side, I dont see you jumping up and down then.

Look towards the "National Federation of Cypriots in the UK" and you have found why he said the things he said, its called playing the to the stands.

[Kikapu]

The Council is determined to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot communityand to facilitate the reunification of Cyprus by encouraging the economic development of theTurkish Cypriot community. The Council invited the Commission to bring forward comprehensive proposals to this end, with particular emphasis on the economic integration of the island and on improving contact between the two communities and with the EU.

Erolz, where does it say in the above quote you made, that the EU will lift the embargo if the north said "YES" to the Annan Plan, which is the argument that Turkey and the "trnc" uses every time. Surely the above can also mean the creation of the "Green Line Agreements" does it not, which has improved the economy in the north some, as well as direct cash in the sums of 256 Million Euros.

[Get Real!]

I have no problem with people questioning facts. Its just frustrating when they still question them AFTER the evidence has already been given a few posts ago as well as years ago and then ask for the same evidence AGAIN.

Let's have a look at this from the PDF you posted...

It also proposed a regulation to facilitate direct trade from the the northern part of Cyprus. The proposal offers a preferential regime for products originating in the North, entering the Customs Territory of the EU. It sets rules on : the documents certifying the origin of goods, to be issued by the Turkish Cypriot Chamber of Commerce or another duly authorised body; phytosanitary inspections; food and product safety; taxation; communication obligations; safeguard measures in the event of ineffective cooperation, irregularities or fraud. It is proposed that the preferential regime should take the form of a tariff quota system which would be established to encourage economic development while avoiding the creation of artificial trade patterns or facilitating fraud. This regulation has to be adopted by the Council by qualified majority.

So was it adopted by the Council by qualified majority, Erol?

[erolz3]

So was it adopted by the Council by qualified majority, Erol?

No and as far as I know it did not even reach the stage of being put to the council for adoption. The politics of what actualy happened to this EU comission proposal is long complicated and disputed. What is a fact is that the EU comission made this proposal for direct trade with the north as part of its proposals for ending the isolation of the TC community and this aspect of their proposals was blocked one way or another. THis is part and parcel of the politics within the EU.

The council made its policy comittment to the TC community, and anyone can see this in back and white.

The comission made its proposals to meet this policy and they included proposlas for direct trade and these can be seen by anyone. This aspect of these proposals made by the EU comission were blocked.

That is what has happend to date.

For TC it is easy to see this as comitments and promises were made by the EU and they have failed to deliver on them, because of the RoC blocking such. How true that actualy is is debatable but it does not take much imagination to understand why many TC feel this is the case none the less.