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[YFred]

When insisting on protocols and commitments to enforce, how about the promise by the EU to open north cyprus to trade and funding.

You’re thinking of Gunter Verheugen’s foolish and unauthorized promises he was making to gain popularity, so it’s by no accident that the EU quickly got rid of him not too long after that because the EU doesn’t work with “promises” but agreements in writing.

You know the one that stood up in the EU and cried…

“The RoC tricked us into believing that the AP would be approved!”

…thereby exposing the Anglo-American plan of a pre-determined “democratic” referendum!!!

A promise is a promise but unfortunately they turned out to be like you, a bit of a let down.

Go find Gunter and ask him why he was making promises without the EU's approval and slap him, and then go find Donktosh and ask him why he believed in "promises" despite 40 years in the political scene and slap him too.

Problem solved!

How come you missed the middle step? Isn't there always 3 steps?

[Viewpoint]

Who paid this guy?

[boulio]

DT. wrote:
Must of missed that one. WHere was the signed agreement/protocol/resolution for that?


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Quote:
You’re thinking of Gunter Verheugen’s foolish and unauthorized promises he was making to gain popularity, so it’s by no accident that the EU quickly got rid of him not too long after that because the EU doesn’t work with “promises” but agreements in writing.


We have had this discussion before, along with the claims that the EU made no written commitments to the TC community following the GC no vote to Annan plan along with the proof and actual text of the exact commitments made, yet still we have these 'no comitments were made, just vague promisses from people not authorised to make them'.

This is just simply not true.

The commitments made by the EU at

From the 2576th EU Council meeting in Luxembourg, 26 April 2004

a direct primary source for what was agreed is here

http://ue.eu.int/ueDocs/cms_Data/docs/p ... /80142.pdf

it includes

Quote:
The Council is determined to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot communityand to facilitate the reunification of Cyprus by encouraging the economic development of theTurkish Cypriot community. The Council invited the Commission to bring forward comprehensive proposals to this end, with particular emphasis on the economic integration of the island and on improving contact between the two communities and with the EU.


This then is the written commitment made to the TC community, made by the highest policy setting body of the European Union, the European Council, signed and agreed by all those in attendance including Mr George IACOVOU Minister for Foreign Affairs for RoC.

This has all be laid out here before yet STILL we hear the refrains of

'I am not aware of any written commitment'

'comittments were made by one indivdual without authority to do so'

and such rubbish.

Commitments were made. In writing. Agreed at the highest level of policy setting within the EU. You can and will argue till the cows come home as to what those comittments mean and if they have been met or not and if not why, but you can not argue that they were not made. Its there in black and white from a primary source and has been presented here many times alreay over many years.

the council just told turkey to withdraw her troops and remove settlers and return varoshia will she?

If it dosent go in front of the 27 member states it will not happen.

[boulio]

the eu knows that even if they wanted to end the isolation of the north it cannot,because it will be challenged and overturned in court.

[YFred]

the eu knows that even if they wanted to end the isolation of the north it cannot,because it will be challenged and overturned in court.

Then the law is an ass, we shall join Turkey and be done with it. Better the devil you know then the devil you don't know.

[erolz3]

the council just told turkey to withdraw her troops and remove settlers and return varoshia will she?

You are wrong. The recent resolution was adopted by the EU parilament and not the European Council.

EU parliament si not a policy setting body. The European Council is.

If it dosent go in front of the 27 member states it will not happen.

I have no idea what you mean ? What 'it' do you refer to ? The commitment made by the European Council to the TC community were signed and agreed by all members of the EU including the RoC. It is offical EU policy, set by the highest policy setting body in the EU and agreed and signed by representatives of all EU members.

What is really telling is that 6 years AFTER this was done, and despite irrefutable primary source evidence being presented here many times, still there are GC suggesting no such comittment was ever made or that the commitments were the actions one vogue indivdual.

[boulio]

I have no idea what you mean ? What 'it' do you refer to ? The commitment made by the European Council to the TC community were signed and agreed by all members of the EU including the RoC. It is offical EU policy, set by the highest policy setting body in the EU and agreed and signed by representatives of all EU members.

What is really telling is that 6 years AFTER this was done, and despite irrefutable primary source evidence being presented here many times, still there are GC suggesting no such comittment was ever made or that the commitments were the actions one vogue indivdual.

"It"is what exactly constitutes "to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot community"

259 million euros and green line regutlations yes,direct trade and flights no.In a way the eu could argue and so can the republic that the measures they took has helped towards the removal of t/c isolation as has the issuence of pasports and work and health care in the ROC.

What have the t/c done according to this statement:

The Council invited the Commission to bring forward comprehensive proposals to this end, with particular emphasis on the economic integration of the island and on improving contact between the two communities and with the EU

Anything ?

[DT.]

the council just told turkey to withdraw her troops and remove settlers and return varoshia will she?

You are wrong. The recent resolution was adopted by the EU parilament and not the European Council.

EU parliament si not a policy setting body. The European Council is.

If it dosent go in front of the 27 member states it will not happen.

I have no idea what you mean ? What 'it' do you refer to ? The commitment made by the European Council to the TC community were signed and agreed by all members of the EU including the RoC. It is offical EU policy, set by the highest policy setting body in the EU and agreed and signed by representatives of all EU members.

What is really telling is that 6 years AFTER this was done, and despite irrefutable primary source evidence being presented here many times, still there are GC suggesting no such comittment was ever made or that the commitments were the actions one vogue indivdual.

Erolz, please show me which body of the EU decided to trade with the occupied areas directly.

[erolz3]

Erolz, please show me which body of the EU decided to trade with the occupied areas directly.

The Council sets policy, it then give the job of finding ways of meeting those policy objectives to the Comission. The commissions plans to meet this policy objective included an aid element that has been implemented and a trade element that has not.

You can and no doubt will argue forever as to why the comissions proposals for meeting the councils policy objective have not been implemented.

What you can not argue with is that comittments were made in writing by the hightest policy making body of the EU, agreed by all EU member states with regards to the TC community that support a settlement that the EU also support but was rejected by GC.

You can and no doubt will argue forever as to if the comitments made by the EU to the TC community have been met or not but you can argue they were not made.

The council said it was determined to end the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot community. Has it done all that it can to meet this comittment ? Most GC probably do not care and most TC probably feel it has not.

[boulio]

and what esle could be done to "end the isolation"without comprimising the integrity of the republic?