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[georgios100]

My fellow Cypriots, GC & TC,

After examining all the facts, actions, opinions, negotiations etc of the last 50 years, I concluded that the solution to the Cyprus problem may be mutually agreed during the year 2021. Based on a variety of reasons the two communities are not ready to compromise. Sadly, after 60 years, the end of the tunnel is not on the horizon. The current talks between our political leaders are doomed. Another failure, not surprised at all. I blame both sides for this.

Here is why:

1. The GCs suffered both life and property losses (year 1974). Any proposed deals to recover a portion of these losses would simply not satisfy. The general belief is "a better deal was possible with more gains..."
2. The TCs had losses as well so they will give back as less as possible. Still, what ever is given back is subject to "we gave back too much, the GCs could have accepted less..."
3. Both political leaders involved in the process will go down in history as traitors, therefor none of them has the guts to move forward.
4. The security issue is always going to be there (trust levels are low).
5. Not much help from the international community should be expected. Too many mediators got involved over the years with no success. The UN last ditch effort does not look promising. I am pessimistic? Yes. My gut feeling tells me the odds of a solution is 100 to 1. From where I'm standing neither the Americans or other big players even remember the Cyprus problem anymore. It is considered "small potatoes" compared to current Hugh problems attracting most of the attention.
6. Turkey's bid to successfully enter the EU not expected prior to year 2021. In the meantime, I don't see Turkey willing to entertain any possible land giveaways in Cyprus with nothing in return, totally understandable.

Patience is a virtue, time will tell.

Sincerely, I hope I am wrong about this. I would love to go back to Varoshia where I was born and raised. For now, returning back to my homeland looks very, very far away.

Georgios100

[DTA]

My fellow Cypriots, GC & TC,

After examining all the facts, actions, opinions, negotiations etc of the last 50 years, I concluded that the solution to the Cyprus problem may be mutually agreed during the year 2021. Based on a variety of reasons the two communities are not ready to compromise. Sadly, after 60 years, the end of the tunnel is not on the horizon. The current talks between our political leaders are doomed. Another failure, not surprised at all. I blame both sides for this.

Here is why:

1. The GCs suffered both life and property losses (year 1974). Any proposed deals to recover a portion of these losses would simply not satisfy. The general belief is "a better deal was possible with more gains..."
2. The TCs had losses as well so they will give back as less as possible. Still, what ever is given back is subject to "we gave back too much, the GCs could have accepted less..."
3. Both political leaders involved in the process will go down in history as traitors, therefor none of them has the guts to move forward.
4. The security issue is always going to be there (trust levels are low).
5. Not much help from the international community should be expected. Too many mediators got involved over the years with no success. The UN last ditch effort does not look promising. I am pessimistic? Yes. My gut feeling tells me the odds of a solution is 100 to 1. From where I'm standing neither the Americans or other big players even remember the Cyprus problem anymore. It is considered "small potatoes" compared to current Hugh problems attracting most of the attention.
6. Turkey's bid to successfully enter the EU not expected prior to year 2021. In the meantime, I don't see Turkey willing to entertain any possible land giveaways in Cyprus with nothing in return, totally understandable.

Patience is a virtue, time will tell.

Sincerely, I hope I am wrong about this. I would love to go back to Varoshia where I was born and raised. For now, returning back to my homeland looks very, very far away.

Georgios100

Interesting and with some balance, out of interest what would your reasonably attainability solution be?

[georgios100]

My fellow Cypriots, GC & TC,

After examining all the facts, actions, opinions, negotiations etc of the last 50 years, I concluded that the solution to the Cyprus problem may be mutually agreed during the year 2021. Based on a variety of reasons the two communities are not ready to compromise. Sadly, after 60 years, the end of the tunnel is not on the horizon. The current talks between our political leaders are doomed. Another failure, not surprised at all. I blame both sides for this.

Here is why:

1. The GCs suffered both life and property losses (year 1974). Any proposed deals to recover a portion of these losses would simply not satisfy. The general belief is "a better deal was possible with more gains..."
2. The TCs had losses as well so they will give back as less as possible. Still, what ever is given back is subject to "we gave back too much, the GCs could have accepted less..."
3. Both political leaders involved in the process will go down in history as traitors, therefor none of them has the guts to move forward.
4. The security issue is always going to be there (trust levels are low).
5. Not much help from the international community should be expected. Too many mediators got involved over the years with no success. The UN last ditch effort does not look promising. I am pessimistic? Yes. My gut feeling tells me the odds of a solution is 100 to 1. From where I'm standing neither the Americans or other big players even remember the Cyprus problem anymore. It is considered "small potatoes" compared to current Hugh problems attracting most of the attention.
6. Turkey's bid to successfully enter the EU not expected prior to year 2021. In the meantime, I don't see Turkey willing to entertain any possible land giveaways in Cyprus with nothing in return, totally understandable.

Patience is a virtue, time will tell.

Sincerely, I hope I am wrong about this. I would love to go back to Varoshia where I was born and raised. For now, returning back to my homeland looks very, very far away.

Georgios100

Interesting and with some balance, out of interest what would your reasonably attainability solution be?

This is a very big question to answer in detail. I would just keep in as short as possible.
1. Government. The Canadian system of government is a great example. The country consists of 10 provinces and 3 territories. Provincial governments c/w parliament, justice, police etc. in place. The federal government represents the country internationally and regulates internal matters... you probably know all about this. The supreme court decides on disputes, arbitration etc. Similar system for Cyprus very viable. Some tweaking in the years to come is clearly in order to perfect/suit the needs of the people.
2. Justice can be separate for each community. So is police.
3. Defence. Kept to a minimum, supervised by UN peacekeepers as required.
4. Property. After whatever line is drawn on the ground all claimants from both sides should file for compensation. Monies to be paid for everybody on both sides (title exchanges not recommended).
5. Commerce. Freedom to operate the whole island, no barriers.
6. Taxes. Both communities pay 2 kind of taxes. Provincial and federal. The provincial taxes goes towards the respective community needs. The federal taxes is spend on national infrastructure projects & programs.
7. Education. Communities decide on school curriculum and language. The English language could be mandatory. Universities must be accessible to both with no exceptions.
8. Religion. No question here. Freedom for all to practice whatever they want.

A lot more sectors to cover but the basics will do for now.

Have no illusions. There is no silver bullet but no free lunch either. We must start somewhere and keep on doing adjustments as we go along. Trial & error is our only option. There is going to be problems. Not all citizens will be happy but at least we are trying. It's better than not trying.

Georgios100

[apc2010]

You should be a polotician, makes sense to me .

[FragnaticDeath]

4. Property. After whatever line is drawn on the ground all claimants from both sides should file for compensation. Monies to be paid for everybody on both sides (title exchanges not recommended).


And where is the compensation gonna come from? Out of the Cypriot government? Or is Turkey going to pay?

[boulio]

This is a very big question to answer in detail. I would just keep in as short as possible.
1. Government. The Canadian system of government is a great example. The country consists of 10 provinces and 3 territories. Provincial governments c/w parliament, justice, police etc. in place. The federal government represents the country internationally and regulates internal matters... you probably know all about this. The supreme court decides on disputes, arbitration etc. Similar system for Cyprus very viable. Some tweaking in the years to come is clearly in order to perfect/suit the needs of the people.
2. Justice can be separate for each community. So is police.
3. Defence. Kept to a minimum, supervised by UN peacekeepers as required.
4. Property. After whatever line is drawn on the ground all claimants from both sides should file for compensation. Monies to be paid for everybody on both sides (title exchanges not recommended).
5. Commerce. Freedom to operate the whole island, no barriers.
6. Taxes. Both communities pay 2 kind of taxes. Provincial and federal. The provincial taxes goes towards the respective community needs. The federal taxes is spend on national infrastructure projects & programs.
7. Education. Communities decide on school curriculum and language. The English language could be mandatory. Universities must be accessible to both with no exceptions.
8. Religion. No question here. Freedom for all to practice whatever they want.

A lot more sectors to cover but the basics will do for now.

Have no illusions. There is no silver bullet but no free lunch either. We must start somewhere and keep on doing adjustments as we go along. Trial & error is our only option. There is going to be problems. Not all citizens will be happy but at least we are trying. It's better than not trying.

Georgios100

canadas federal system is not base on ethnic seperation so why should cyprus?

[humanist]

giorgos you don't realise that our friendly turkish speaking cypriot comaptriots in ther sense of fairness are suggesting that they have freedom of movement and ability to live anywhere on Cyprus but they also have the right to exclude greek speaking cypriots of living wee ever they wish to live on the island.

having said this I do believe that the canadian system is a good one for Cyprus because of the two major comunities in Canada are similar to the current issues in Cyprus.

[imaginer_41]

all you have forgatten that canadians or americans or gemans belive jesus, speak german or english, have been lived to gether but cyprus heve differences. Turks belive Allah, speak Turkish and Greeks belive God and speaks Greek and in history they did not live together they lived separate villages.

[Tony-4497]

4. Property. After whatever line is drawn on the ground all claimants from both sides should file for compensation. Monies to be paid for everybody on both sides (title exchanges not recommended).

TCs collectively own 12.3% of property on Cyprus. What you propose above could work ONLY if the territory of the TC-administered area is kept to a similar %.. perhaps up to 18%.. I could probably live with such an arrangement and so would the majority of GCs in my view.

Unfortunately, the Turks are demanding some 30% of land and 55% of coast (which is thousands of times more valuable than "normal land").

Current estimates of the compensation required for this to happen (effectively "buy" 10-15% of Cyprus) range from Euro 50 billion to 150 billion. International donations in 2004, following huge efforts by the UN, did not exceed half a billion (and will be less now, given the economic crisis).

Paying the above amount would be enough to bring the entire EU or the US near bankruptcy, never mind Turkey.

Ultimately, this problem is about the barbaric thiefs wanting to keep the loot..

[YFred]

4. Property. After whatever line is drawn on the ground all claimants from both sides should file for compensation. Monies to be paid for everybody on both sides (title exchanges not recommended).

TCs collectively own 12.3% of property on Cyprus. What you propose above could work ONLY if the territory of the TC-administered area is kept to a similar %.. perhaps up to 18%.. I could probably live with such an arrangement and so would the majority of GCs in my view.

Unfortunately, the Turks are demanding some 30% of land and 55% of coast (which is thousands of times more valuable than "normal land").

Current estimates of the compensation required for this to happen (effectively "buy" 10-15% of Cyprus) range from Euro 50 billion to 150 billion. International donations in 2004, following huge efforts by the UN, did not exceed half a billion (and will be less now, given the economic crisis).

Paying the above amount would be enough to bring the entire EU or the US near bankruptcy, never mind Turkey.

Ultimately, this problem is about the barbaric thiefs wanting to keep the loot..

You are wrong on both counts, it used to be 35% and we would accept 27%, If you guys don't pull your fingers out of your thingamajits then we will end up with 37.5%. Pull your finger out and get on with it.