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I would like to clarify a few points.

There is going to be a line drawn on the ground. This line is of a great debate now but on the long term (50 years), it won't mean much. Remember, compensation should satisfy private land owners (if the line affects them). As far as the "crown land", which is the biggest piece of Cyprus land, will belong to the federal government as a whole. That means both communities will own the whole country together (no lines here). Canada has many lines drawn on the ground dividing the provinces which are independent from each other. All these lines form one country, Canada. Many minorities exist here, too many to mention. All are tolerated and accommodated as they should be. Originally, English and French fought for years about land, language and state. There was winners and loosers but in the end there was only one, Canada. Cyprus has a lot to learn from this example. History has proven that when compromise is achieved there can be only winners. Division, as it stands now in Cyprus, can only produce degrees of losses not winnings.

And something else to consider:

Quote from another poster.
"Think how much each party will save in defense spending. Think of freedom of businesses and resources contracts, freedom of shipping lanes for Cyprus to Turkey, think of added tourism across the island, improved economies of scale from utilities, real partnerships away from the forced situation that GC supporters espouse is supposedly working today etc. etc. etc. These can really only be achieved in a win-win scenario - not the winner takes all scenario. "

I agree 100%. This is the kind of thinking required. Positive. Proposals like this one are hard to find in this forum. All I read is arguments, fighting with words, swearing etc, totally counter productive.

A friendly reminder to the mods. Do you job. Keep it respectable, Delete the inflammatory comments and bad language, thanks.

Georgios100

If you're willing to give up your land in the north for compensation then go right ahead. Where do you get the balls though to assume that the rest of the Cypriots that come from the occupied areas will be happy with compensation?

DT I dont know why you attack him, he is looking for solution - he is trying to build bridges, where is your solution?

How much land do you own in the north? where? would you return there under TC Administration? if the Answer is no, would you not rather be compensated so you can buy land in the south? or would you rather stay without land and compensation forever?

Are you all insane?

We've just had it proven time and time again from foreign and domestic courts of justice that the right of property is not negotiable, and you guys are jumping ahead of each other over who's gonna give up his property first to impress some TC with your willingness to negotiate with an open mind?

Pick a different subject to be flexible on, what I and others do with OUR property is no one's business but OUR own. And I have a host of judgements to prove I'm right. I don't care who is negotiating on our behalf, NO ONE negotiates my house in Morpou or my land in Kyrenia but me.

Amen to that re DT. Exactly my point.

[Malapapa]

Pick a different subject to be flexible on, what I and others do with OUR property is no one's business but OUR own. And I have a host of judgements to prove I'm right. I don't care who is negotiating on our behalf, NO ONE negotiates my house in Morpou or my land in Kyrenia but me.

Amen to that re DT. Exactly my point.

The rights displaced individuals have to their properties is non-negotiable. The property issue has been resolved legally in the courts.

Any individual denied such rights has legal recourse, including taking action against the Cypriot government.

[Viewpoint]

Pick a different subject to be flexible on, what I and others do with OUR property is no one's business but OUR own. And I have a host of judgements to prove I'm right. I don't care who is negotiating on our behalf, NO ONE negotiates my house in Morpou or my land in Kyrenia but me.

Amen to that re DT. Exactly my point.

The rights displaced individuals have to their properties is non-negotiable. The property issue has been resolved legally in the courts.

Any individual denied such rights has legal recourse, including taking action against the Cypriot government.

What if your leaders agree it and the EU backs it?

[Malapapa]

Pick a different subject to be flexible on, what I and others do with OUR property is no one's business but OUR own. And I have a host of judgements to prove I'm right. I don't care who is negotiating on our behalf, NO ONE negotiates my house in Morpou or my land in Kyrenia but me.

Amen to that re DT. Exactly my point.

The rights displaced individuals have to their properties is non-negotiable. The property issue has been resolved legally in the courts.

Any individual denied such rights has legal recourse, including taking action against the Cypriot government.

What if your leaders agree it and the EU backs it?

As Gordon Brown told Erdogan only recently, "it is impossible to intervene in the independence of the judiciary". Politicians, in Cyprus and the EU, come and go. The law remains.

[Viewpoint]

Pick a different subject to be flexible on, what I and others do with OUR property is no one's business but OUR own. And I have a host of judgements to prove I'm right. I don't care who is negotiating on our behalf, NO ONE negotiates my house in Morpou or my land in Kyrenia but me.

Amen to that re DT. Exactly my point.

The rights displaced individuals have to their properties is non-negotiable. The property issue has been resolved legally in the courts.

Any individual denied such rights has legal recourse, including taking action against the Cypriot government.

What if your leaders agree it and the EU backs it?

As Gordon Brown told Erdogan only recently, "it is impossible to intervene in the independence of the judiciary". Politicians, in Cyprus and the EU, come and go. The law remains.

Your avoiding the question.

[Malapapa]

Pick a different subject to be flexible on, what I and others do with OUR property is no one's business but OUR own. And I have a host of judgements to prove I'm right. I don't care who is negotiating on our behalf, NO ONE negotiates my house in Morpou or my land in Kyrenia but me.

Amen to that re DT. Exactly my point.

The rights displaced individuals have to their properties is non-negotiable. The property issue has been resolved legally in the courts.

Any individual denied such rights has legal recourse, including taking action against the Cypriot government.

What if your leaders agree it and the EU backs it?

As Gordon Brown told Erdogan only recently, "it is impossible to intervene in the independence of the judiciary". Politicians, in Cyprus and the EU, come and go. The law remains.

Your avoiding the question.

No, I'm not. Post-Apostolides, Christofias's hands are tied.

He isn't in a position, legally, to deny the rights of displaced Cypriots to their properties. The Attorney-General of the RoC would have to intervene or face recourse in the ECHR by any such displaced citizen.

[Viewpoint]

Of course all refugees should be given the option to their property but in some cases we all have to be realistic and accept current day compensation to buy elsewhere.

[Malapapa]

Of course all refugees should be given the option to their property but in some cases we all have to be realistic and accept current day compensation to buy elsewhere.

A refugee must have the final say. That's the law.

[Viewpoint]

Of course all refugees should be given the option to their property but in some cases we all have to be realistic and accept current day compensation to buy elsewhere.

A refugee must have the final say. That's the law.

If you think that 200 refugee houses are going to be demolished just because a TC wants their land back you are very mistaken, there will be cases where compensation will be the solution.

[Malapapa]

Of course all refugees should be given the option to their property but in some cases we all have to be realistic and accept current day compensation to buy elsewhere.

A refugee must have the final say. That's the law.

If you think that 200 refugee houses are going to be demolished just because a TC wants their land back you are very mistaken, there will be cases where compensation will be the solution.

... sure, if the refugee accepts.