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[YFred]

y FRED can you please tell us how you came up with 35% seriouly id like to see your analysis of how you get to this number.

It’s a very clever Ottoman formula actually… he took his IQ, multiplied it by 3 and the divided by two!

(IQ x 3) / 2 = 35

Separating knowns from unknowns…

IQ x 3 = 35 x 2

IQ = (35 x 2) / 3

IQ = 23.33

Classic

hold on maybe he made a mistake and put the decimal point in the wrong place and it shloud read 2.3%, ha ha , DT heres your long waited answer!

Hosht pis kopekler ikingiz da.

[boulio]

why do you even post if you cant back anything up?

[Get Real!]

Y not. If you can pick a number from the air, so can I. That is why the negotiations are taking such a long time. If it was that easy would it take 45 years an counting.

The figures provided by the roc are not woth the paper it's written. So stop having kittens over minor detail.

the figures by the roc and based on the colonial british land registry.im still waiting for your numbers.

I am going to use them for lottery next week so you can't have them.

Why can’t you just admit you got them where you get all your other “knowledge” from:

“The Concise Turkish Cypriot Encyclopedia” -->

[YFred]

why do you even post if you cant back anything up?

It's very dificult to prove something if all the documents are in the hands of the roc. Leave the running of the court system to the criminals and see how much evidence there will be to prove their guilt.

[boulio]

It's very dificult to prove something if all the documents are in the hands of the roc. Leave the running of the court system to the criminals and see how much evidence there will be to prove their guilt.

not really its public record.

[georgios100]

I would like to clarify a few points.

There is going to be a line drawn on the ground. This line is of a great debate now but on the long term (50 years), it won't mean much. Remember, compensation should satisfy private land owners (if the line affects them). As far as the "crown land", which is the biggest piece of Cyprus land, will belong to the federal government as a whole. That means both communities will own the whole country together (no lines here). Canada has many lines drawn on the ground dividing the provinces which are independent from each other. All these lines form one country, Canada. Many minorities exist here, too many to mention. All are tolerated and accommodated as they should be. Originally, English and French fought for years about land, language and state. There was winners and loosers but in the end there was only one, Canada. Cyprus has a lot to learn from this example. History has proven that when compromise is achieved there can be only winners. Division, as it stands now in Cyprus, can only produce degrees of losses not winnings.

And something else to consider:

Quote from another poster.
"Think how much each party will save in defense spending. Think of freedom of businesses and resources contracts, freedom of shipping lanes for Cyprus to Turkey, think of added tourism across the island, improved economies of scale from utilities, real partnerships away from the forced situation that GC supporters espouse is supposedly working today etc. etc. etc. These can really only be achieved in a win-win scenario - not the winner takes all scenario. "

I agree 100%. This is the kind of thinking required. Positive. Proposals like this one are hard to find in this forum. All I read is arguments, fighting with words, swearing etc, totally counter productive.

A friendly reminder to the mods. Do you job. Keep it respectable, Delete the inflammatory comments and bad language, thanks.

Georgios100

If you're willing to give up your land in the north for compensation then go right ahead. Where do you get the balls though to assume that the rest of the Cypriots that come from the occupied areas will be happy with compensation?

Everything in this world has a price, so does land. Compensation will satisfy some displaced Cypriots but not all, you are right. There is going to be some degree of unhappiness out there, based on "I want my land back no matter how much money if offered". Pure sentimental reasons. Fairness is a relative word here. Nothing is perfect. But we like to say we have democracy in Cyprus. So let's exercise democracy. Let the people vote and be heard. Property issue included in the vote. The majority decision will stand.

When searching for a solution we should put on the table proposals that may "fly". Displaying "balls" got us nowhere so far, only boldness will.

Georgios100

Thats easy to say from someone who has ditched his country to live abroad and then want the compensation to get on with his sad little life away. All the while the GCs who are here and longing for their ancestral homes have to put it to a vote.

Lets all vote democratically to take your sister/mother/wife and majority rules, yes??? Somethings are more than just a vote George, don't play silly beggars with peoples feelings just because you want to be 'Alright'

P.S. No offence intended, just an example to illustare what you propose.

No offence taken. I left Cyprus right after the war for studies abroad and got a job in Canada. So did other Cypriots at the time. To you this is a crime. OK. I left behind 2 sisters and 6 brothers to fight this thing out. 36 years go by. Where are we standing? If I stayed in Cyprus things would have been different? But I have to hand it to you. You are a fighter. How long are you willing to fight? Another 36 years? Be reasonable. 36 years is enough fighting, time to start talking. Serious talking. Finish this business and move forward.

I would like to hear your proposal since mine is rejected.

Georgios100

[boulio]

why cant g/c live in the north?

are people from ottowa not allowed to live in quebec?

[georgios100]

why cant g/c live in the north?

are people from Ottawa not allowed to live in Quebec?

People from Ottawa are allowed to live in Quebec, no question. Bear in mind, this freedom privilege took many, many years to acquire. Population mixing is probable over time.

For Cyprus I believe it's way too early to consider relocating population. On the long term some mixing is expected but not without caution.

Population mixing should be off the negotiation table.

Georgios100

[boulio]

Bear in mind, this freedom privilege took many, many years to acquire. Population mixing is probable over time.

when in the 1780's?can you post something concerning the above statement because i thinks its a falacy.

[DT.]

I would like to clarify a few points.

There is going to be a line drawn on the ground. This line is of a great debate now but on the long term (50 years), it won't mean much. Remember, compensation should satisfy private land owners (if the line affects them). As far as the "crown land", which is the biggest piece of Cyprus land, will belong to the federal government as a whole. That means both communities will own the whole country together (no lines here). Canada has many lines drawn on the ground dividing the provinces which are independent from each other. All these lines form one country, Canada. Many minorities exist here, too many to mention. All are tolerated and accommodated as they should be. Originally, English and French fought for years about land, language and state. There was winners and loosers but in the end there was only one, Canada. Cyprus has a lot to learn from this example. History has proven that when compromise is achieved there can be only winners. Division, as it stands now in Cyprus, can only produce degrees of losses not winnings.

And something else to consider:

Quote from another poster.
"Think how much each party will save in defense spending. Think of freedom of businesses and resources contracts, freedom of shipping lanes for Cyprus to Turkey, think of added tourism across the island, improved economies of scale from utilities, real partnerships away from the forced situation that GC supporters espouse is supposedly working today etc. etc. etc. These can really only be achieved in a win-win scenario - not the winner takes all scenario. "

I agree 100%. This is the kind of thinking required. Positive. Proposals like this one are hard to find in this forum. All I read is arguments, fighting with words, swearing etc, totally counter productive.

A friendly reminder to the mods. Do you job. Keep it respectable, Delete the inflammatory comments and bad language, thanks.

Georgios100

If you're willing to give up your land in the north for compensation then go right ahead. Where do you get the balls though to assume that the rest of the Cypriots that come from the occupied areas will be happy with compensation?

DT I dont know why you attack him, he is looking for solution - he is trying to build bridges, where is your solution?

How much land do you own in the north? where? would you return there under TC Administration? if the Answer is no, would you not rather be compensated so you can buy land in the south? or would you rather stay without land and compensation forever?

Are you all insane?

We've just had it proven time and time again from foreign and domestic courts of justice that the right of property is not negotiable, and you guys are jumping ahead of each other over who's gonna give up his property first to impress some TC with your willingness to negotiate with an open mind?

Pick a different subject to be flexible on, what I and others do with OUR property is no one's business but OUR own. And I have a host of judgements to prove I'm right. I don't care who is negotiating on our behalf, NO ONE negotiates my house in Morpou or my land in Kyrenia but me.