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[Get Real!]

You are wrong on both counts, it used to be 35% and we would accept 27%,

He is talking land ownership and you’re talking about your IQ!

[Tony-4497]

For the avoidance of doubt, I am indeed referring to land ownership, not YFred's IQ.

[Tony-4497]

Come on YFred.. no need for that language..

What do you expect me to say when you make statements like that (owning 35%)??

[YFred]

Come on YFred.. no need for that language..

What do you expect me to say when you make statements like that (owning 35%)??

Yeah well there's the Cyprus problem for you. Just becasue Britts took it and gave it you does not make it yours any more than Israel belongs to the Jews, for the same reason.
Take the piss and you get approriate response.

[Acikgoz]

Georgios, on timing I agree as a minimum.

Tony, what percentage of land do GCs own? Not public land, personal individuals' land?

On costs: EUR 50 billion is chicken feed when you think of the cost of this conflict over the long run.

Think how much each party will save in defense spending. Think of freedom of businesses and resources contracts, freedom of shipping lanes for Cyprus to Turkey, think of added tourism across the island, improved economies of scale from utilities, real partnerships away from the forced situation that GC supporters espouse is supposedly working today etc. etc. etc. These can really only be achieved in a win-win scenario - not the winner takes all scenario.

Think, that's EUR 50,000 for every man woman and child on the island.

[georgios100]

I would like to clarify a few points.

There is going to be a line drawn on the ground. This line is of a great debate now but on the long term (50 years), it won't mean much. Remember, compensation should satisfy private land owners (if the line affects them). As far as the "crown land", which is the biggest piece of Cyprus land, will belong to the federal government as a whole. That means both communities will own the whole country together (no lines here). Canada has many lines drawn on the ground dividing the provinces which are independent from each other. All these lines form one country, Canada. Many minorities exist here, too many to mention. All are tolerated and accommodated as they should be. Originally, English and French fought for years about land, language and state. There was winners and loosers but in the end there was only one, Canada. Cyprus has a lot to learn from this example. History has proven that when compromise is achieved there can be only winners. Division, as it stands now in Cyprus, can only produce degrees of losses not winnings.

And something else to consider:

Quote from another poster.
"Think how much each party will save in defense spending. Think of freedom of businesses and resources contracts, freedom of shipping lanes for Cyprus to Turkey, think of added tourism across the island, improved economies of scale from utilities, real partnerships away from the forced situation that GC supporters espouse is supposedly working today etc. etc. etc. These can really only be achieved in a win-win scenario - not the winner takes all scenario. "

I agree 100%. This is the kind of thinking required. Positive. Proposals like this one are hard to find in this forum. All I read is arguments, fighting with words, swearing etc, totally counter productive.

A friendly reminder to the mods. Do you job. Keep it respectable, Delete the inflammatory comments and bad language, thanks.

Georgios100

[DT.]

I would like to clarify a few points.

There is going to be a line drawn on the ground. This line is of a great debate now but on the long term (50 years), it won't mean much. Remember, compensation should satisfy private land owners (if the line affects them). As far as the "crown land", which is the biggest piece of Cyprus land, will belong to the federal government as a whole. That means both communities will own the whole country together (no lines here). Canada has many lines drawn on the ground dividing the provinces which are independent from each other. All these lines form one country, Canada. Many minorities exist here, too many to mention. All are tolerated and accommodated as they should be. Originally, English and French fought for years about land, language and state. There was winners and loosers but in the end there was only one, Canada. Cyprus has a lot to learn from this example. History has proven that when compromise is achieved there can be only winners. Division, as it stands now in Cyprus, can only produce degrees of losses not winnings.

And something else to consider:

Quote from another poster.
"Think how much each party will save in defense spending. Think of freedom of businesses and resources contracts, freedom of shipping lanes for Cyprus to Turkey, think of added tourism across the island, improved economies of scale from utilities, real partnerships away from the forced situation that GC supporters espouse is supposedly working today etc. etc. etc. These can really only be achieved in a win-win scenario - not the winner takes all scenario. "

I agree 100%. This is the kind of thinking required. Positive. Proposals like this one are hard to find in this forum. All I read is arguments, fighting with words, swearing etc, totally counter productive.

A friendly reminder to the mods. Do you job. Keep it respectable, Delete the inflammatory comments and bad language, thanks.

Georgios100

If you're willing to give up your land in the north for compensation then go right ahead. Where do you get the balls though to assume that the rest of the Cypriots that come from the occupied areas will be happy with compensation?

[DTA]

I would like to clarify a few points.

There is going to be a line drawn on the ground. This line is of a great debate now but on the long term (50 years), it won't mean much. Remember, compensation should satisfy private land owners (if the line affects them). As far as the "crown land", which is the biggest piece of Cyprus land, will belong to the federal government as a whole. That means both communities will own the whole country together (no lines here). Canada has many lines drawn on the ground dividing the provinces which are independent from each other. All these lines form one country, Canada. Many minorities exist here, too many to mention. All are tolerated and accommodated as they should be. Originally, English and French fought for years about land, language and state. There was winners and loosers but in the end there was only one, Canada. Cyprus has a lot to learn from this example. History has proven that when compromise is achieved there can be only winners. Division, as it stands now in Cyprus, can only produce degrees of losses not winnings.

And something else to consider:

Quote from another poster.
"Think how much each party will save in defense spending. Think of freedom of businesses and resources contracts, freedom of shipping lanes for Cyprus to Turkey, think of added tourism across the island, improved economies of scale from utilities, real partnerships away from the forced situation that GC supporters espouse is supposedly working today etc. etc. etc. These can really only be achieved in a win-win scenario - not the winner takes all scenario. "

I agree 100%. This is the kind of thinking required. Positive. Proposals like this one are hard to find in this forum. All I read is arguments, fighting with words, swearing etc, totally counter productive.

A friendly reminder to the mods. Do you job. Keep it respectable, Delete the inflammatory comments and bad language, thanks.

Georgios100

If you're willing to give up your land in the north for compensation then go right ahead. Where do you get the balls though to assume that the rest of the Cypriots that come from the occupied areas will be happy with compensation?

DT I dont know why you attack him, he is looking for solution - he is trying to build bridges, where is your solution?

How much land do you own in the north? where? would you return there under TC Administration? if the Answer is no, would you not rather be compensated so you can buy land in the south? or would you rather stay without land and compensation forever?

[boulio]

y FRED can you please tell us how you came up with 35% seriouly id like to see your analysis of how you get to this number.

[Get Real!]

y FRED can you please tell us how you came up with 35% seriouly id like to see your analysis of how you get to this number.

It’s a very clever Ottoman formula actually… he took his IQ, multiplied it by 3 and the divided by two!

(IQ x 3) / 2 = 35

Separating knowns from unknowns…

IQ x 3 = 35 x 2

IQ = (35 x 2) / 3

IQ = 23.33