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[Oracle]

As people of the free world celebrate, today, the 20th anniversary of the release of Nelson Mandela from the clutches of the foreigners that practiced Apartheid in his native land; we, the Greek Cypriots are forced to remember, again, that we are the last remaining group of people for whom Apartheid is still forced upon.

How does Turkey's racist, forceful expulsion of GCs, and militarily imposed segregation on each and every Greek Cypriot, by virtue of his race, affect you in the personal and wider moral sense?

Greek or not Greek, we are first Humans and as such affected by the behaviour of all Humans. You didn't have to be Black to support Mandela. You don't have to be Greek to support the GCs who are discriminated today, by Ankara's policies. These policies affect ALL of us, morally and ethically.

Are Turks* a step backward for Humanity?

(Turks* = those who support Ankara; c.f. to white Supremacists of South Africa)

[Oracle]

What!

Is no one going to wish Nelson Mandela a Happy 20th Anniversary?

Or, are some people wishing he had never been released?

[Paphitis]

What!

Is no one going to wish Nelson Mandela a Happy 20th Anniversary?

Or, are some people wishing he had never been released?

Cypriot cousins from South Africa have visited and they paint a totally different picture of the situation, which is why all South Africans are desperate to move to Australia and let the blacks run the country into the ground even more....

Did you know that baby rape is rife, because they believe that by raping a baby, it will cure their Aids?

Happy anniversary!

[wyoming cowboy]

The Turks are a step backward for humanity, whoever invented them was looking to create a race of people who choose to commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and religious contempt...The Turk ethnically cleanses Cyprus, and calls it a peace operation, it continuously bombards its population of the evilness of the Greek cyp...The truth is always buried in Turkey, what the Turks have not realized is that you cannot bury the truth.....

[Oracle]

What!

Is no one going to wish Nelson Mandela a Happy 20th Anniversary?

Or, are some people wishing he had never been released?

Cypriot cousins from South Africa have visited and they paint a totally different picture of the situation, which is why all South Africans are desperate to move to Australia and let the blacks run the country into the ground even more....

Did you know that baby rape is rife, because they believe that by raping a baby, it will cure their Aids?

Happy anniversary!

And Happy Anniversary to you too for today's tragedian transformation into an Acephalos.

So, what was the take home message from your African Settler cousins?
That Apartheid kept the Blacks where they belong? Or, that your personal problems with irrationality, are genetic?

[Paphitis]

Having wished Nelson Mandela a happy 20th anniversary for his release on terrorism charges, let us also wish him good luck in countering the total collapse of South Africa, its rampant crime, and anarchy!

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Assaults 548,847 [2nd of 49]
Burglaries 393,959 [4th of 38]
Car thefts 93,133 [6th of 46]
Death penalty > Abolition date 1,997 [15th of 64]
Death penalty > Last executed 1,991 [5th of 55]
Drug offences 53,810 per 100,000 people [4th of 46]
Gun violence > Homicides > % homicides with firearms 59.2028 [2nd of 32]
Gun violence > Homicides > Overall homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. 125.965 [1st of 32]
Illicit drugs
transshipment center for heroin, hashish, and cocaine, as well as a major cultivator of marijuana in its own right; cocaine and heroin consumption on the rise; world's largest market for illicit methaqualone, usually imported illegally from India through various east African countries, but increasingly producing its own synthetic drugs for domestic consumption; attractive venue for money launderers given the increasing level of organized criminal and narcotics activity in the region and the size of the South African economy
Kidnappings 3,071 kidnappings [2nd of 39]
Murders 21,553 [1st of 49]
Murders with firearms 31,918 [1st of 36]
Police 101,582 [8th of 47]
Prisoners 181,944 prisoners [2nd of 168]
Prisoners > Per capita 402 per 100,000 people [10th of 164]
Rapes 52,425 [2nd of 50]
Robberies 228,442 [3rd of 47]
Software piracy rate 34% [89th of 107]
Total crimes 2,683,849 [5th of 50]
Transnational Issues > Trafficking in persons > Tier rating
Tier 2 Watch List - South Africa is on the Tier 2 Watch List for a fourth consecutive year for its failure to show increasing efforts to address trafficking; the government provided inadequate data in 2007 on trafficking crimes investigated or prosecuted, or on resulting convictions or sentences; it also did not provide information on its efforts to protect victims of trafficking; the country continues to deport and/or prosecute suspected foreign victims without providing appropriate protective services

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/sf- ... /cri-crime

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Good luck Nelson Mandela! We are all behind you....

[Paphitis]

What!

Is no one going to wish Nelson Mandela a Happy 20th Anniversary?

Or, are some people wishing he had never been released?

Cypriot cousins from South Africa have visited and they paint a totally different picture of the situation, which is why all South Africans are desperate to move to Australia and let the blacks run the country into the ground even more....

Did you know that baby rape is rife, because they believe that by raping a baby, it will cure their Aids?

Happy anniversary!

And Happy Anniversary to you too for today's tragedian transformation into an Acephalos.

So, what was the take home message from your African Settler cousins?
That Apartheid kept the Blacks where they belong? Or, that your personal problems with irrationality, are genetic?

Even the blacks are now begging for Apartheid!

[erolz3]

To divide SA between 'foreigners' and 'natives' based on color or race as you do Oracle is itself racism.

They are all SA - just ask Nelson Mandella, who never resorted to the kind of racist rehtoric that you do here along the lines of "we are 'real' SA and they are just foreign invaders". He never claimed that 'true' SA would only ever be free once the 'foreign invaders' were removed from SA. He saw and sees, quite rightly, white SA as SA and not 'foreign invaders'.

[Viewpoint]

We to celebrate our freedom from aparthied on the 20th July every year for 36 years now.

[Oracle]

To divide SA between 'foreigners' and 'natives' based on color or race as you do Oracle is itself racism.

Classifications are not inherently racist. Hence "native and "foreign", in a sociobiological context, are not racist. It is at the next level, political, when different rules are applied to one or the other, where racism can come into play. So, did I divide South Africa between these two identifiable groups, or did the practitioners of Apartheid do this by choosing one as more deserving of certain rights?

Are you having trouble accepting that one group sought to rule over the other? Or, are you having trouble with the parallels that in both cases SA (Belgians, Brits) and Cyprus (Turkish), it was the one group, commonly classified as "foreign", which invaded and imposed Apartheid on the other (native or Black or Greek Cypriot)?

In essence, you would, I hope, agree that to take sociobiological distinctions and segregate, unjustly, is wrong. Where you jump the gun, in order to accuse me (wrongly), is that I would take these distinctions to a political degree, and do what the white supremacists did in SA, or Turkey has done in Cyprus, and give one group rights over the other.

BTW. Isn't it the foreigners (Belgians, Brits etc) who themselves called the Blacks "natives" and sought to enslave them so that they can steal their land? Isn't this the parallel which Turkey practices in Cyprus?

They are all SA - just ask Nelson Mandella, who never resorted to the kind of racist rehtoric that you do here along the lines of "we are 'real' SA and they are just foreign invaders". He never claimed that 'true' SA would only ever be free once the 'foreign invaders' were removed from SA. He saw and sees, quite rightly, white SA as SA and not 'foreign invaders'.

Mandela resorted to more than mere rhetoric when Apartheid was rife

Even so, Mandela did not have to contend with a second wave of "invading foreigners" as we have suffered here in Cyprus. Who knows what "terrorism" he may have unleashed on reinforcements to Apartheid once the struggle for freedom began.

And of course, they are on the road to full democratisation and equality, now that Apartheid in South Africa has been relegated to the past.

But, what of Cyprus? The last remaining place on Earth where foreign invaders still impose Apartheid on the natives?

We are on our own now; the parallels with South Africa have ceased. It is the continuation of Apartheid which is morally and ethically wrong. And the methods employed by Turkey to continue segregation which need highlighting lest we lose our Humanity and accept these practices of Turkey as "norm".