Cyprus-Forum.com

[aussieturk]

The Turks are a step backward for humanity, whoever invented them was looking to create a race of people who choose to commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and religious contempt...The Turk ethnically cleanses Cyprus, and calls it a peace operation, it continuously bombards its population of the evilness of the Greek cyp...The truth is always buried in Turkey, what the Turks have not realized is that you cannot bury the truth.....

WTF

What cleansing has taken place? The GC's live on one side, the TC's on the other. There has been no violence against either for 36 years?

[aussieturk]

Cypriot cousins from South Africa have visited and they paint a totally different picture of the situation, which is why all South Africans are desperate to move to Australia and let the blacks run the country into the ground even more.... [color=red]Well what do you expect since the blacks never had opportunities to be educated by white supremists

Did you know that baby rape is rife, because they believe that by raping a baby, it will cure their Aids? [size=18]Absolute Crap and a racist remark
Happy anniversary!

You have no idea.

[aussieturk]

But, what of Cyprus? The last remaining place on Earth where foreign invaders still impose Apartheid on the natives?

We are on our own now; the parallels with South Africa have ceased. It is the continuation of Apartheid which is morally and ethically wrong. And the methods employed by Turkey to continue segregation which need highlighting lest we lose our Humanity and accept these practices of Turkey as "norm".

Don't forget Korea and Ireland

[aussieturk]

But, we still have 43,000 Turkish troops treating us like sub-humans ... depriving us access to our homeland.

But also there to protect the TC's

[aussieturk]

But, we still have 43,000 Turkish troops treating us like sub-humans - depriving us access to our homeland.

I keep reading over and over and over that GCs have nothing against TCs, it is just Turkish Settlers and Turkish Troops in the TRNC they object to, that they don't want 'division', they want all of Cyprus to be unified with GCs and TCs getting back whatever they lost - presumably returning to how it was before the 'bad people' came.

So what do they consider caused all this problem in the first place? If GCs all embrace TCs and see them as their equals - why are the Turkish Troops and Settlers there now?

Almost everything I read refers to the property issue. But this property issue came about AFTER the Turkish Troops and Settlers came onto the Island. If everything would be hunky dory if only the Troops and Settlers left and all property was returned to rightful owners and TCs and GCs were left mingling together over the whole of the island why wasn't it hunky dory in the past?

Just that it seems senseless to me to demand a return to what was in place BEFORE as it was obviously that situation that caused the problems!

And for this reason, it will never return to what is was before 1974.

[aussieturk]

Everything I read about APARTHEID says it 'divided people up by COLOUR'. All you GCs and TCs are the same colour aren't you?

How simple is your world?

Read more, expand your outlook. Learn to apply general principles to solving problems ....

Apartheid is the vehicle by which groups of people are kept apart, usually one assigned to a lower status and restricted in HR/freedoms (e.g. movement).

Do you need me to point out who in Cyprus is prevented, by virtue of their race, from returning to their homes by 43,000 Turkish troops?

Apartheid is very different in Cyprus than what was in SA. In SA, the blacks could not advance economically, they could not hold positions of authority and in general could not govern their own people. They remained uneducated, and a life of poverty, unable to advance economically as they were not allowed.

The GC's govern themselves, and economically they have done very well compared to the North as they have freedom to trade and deal with every country in the world. GC's live a pretty good life, they have money, they have freedom and a strong economy, all be it on one side of the Island. The only apartheid being enforced is no access to former lands and property and the ability to govern the majority of the Island. Oracle its a big difference than SA and cannot be compared.

[Oracle]

Everything I read about APARTHEID says it 'divided people up by COLOUR'. All you GCs and TCs are the same colour aren't you?

How simple is your world?

Read more, expand your outlook. Learn to apply general principles to solving problems ....

Apartheid is the vehicle by which groups of people are kept apart, usually one assigned to a lower status and restricted in HR/freedoms (e.g. movement).

Do you need me to point out who in Cyprus is prevented, by virtue of their race, from returning to their homes by 43,000 Turkish troops?

Apartheid is very different in Cyprus than what was in SA. In SA, the blacks could not advance economically, they could not hold positions of authority and in general could not govern their own people. They remained uneducated, and a life of poverty, unable to advance economically as they were not allowed.

The GC's govern themselves, and economically they have done very well compared to the North as they have freedom to trade and deal with every country in the world. GC's live a pretty good life, they have money, they have freedom and a strong economy, all be it on one side of the Island. The only apartheid being enforced is no access to former lands and property and the ability to govern the majority of the Island. Oracle its a big difference than SA and cannot be compared.

The salient point is one of segregation.

[erolz3]

I guess we should consider the very concept of a 'nation state' as being essentialy aparthied.

Nation states divide people into two groups, those they define as citizens and those they do not. They segregate people based on these groups that they themselves define by placing restrictions on the 'non citizen' group as to if at all , for how long and under what pre conditions they are to be allowed to mix with 'citizens' in the terriroty under their control.

You can make an argument that the very concept of a nation state is aparthied but doing so brings no illumination to the reality of what nation states are and how and why they came to exist and doing so is also an inherrent insult to those who did live under aparthied.

You can make an argument that the status quo established after 1974 by Turkey in Cyprus is aparthied but doing so brings no illumination to the reality of that staus quo is and how and why it came to exist and doing so is also an inherent insult to those who did live under aparthied.

I personaly do not care about you choising to use the term apartheid in cyprus beyond the inherent insult it contains to those that really lived under such a system. It just shows you up for what you are and what your objectives are imo.

I know what the reality is for GC as a result of the events of 74 just as I know what the reality was for TC living in cyprus in 64 was like, where an innocent non extermist non politcal man like my uncle could be taken in broad daylight in front of many witness from his place of work, murdered and his body dumped in a well by armed thugs run from and by the minsiter of the interior and for no other reason than the fact that he was TC and not GC and without any attempt ever being made by the 'government' then or now to bring these known murders to justice.

[aussieturk]

Everything I read about APARTHEID says it 'divided people up by COLOUR'. All you GCs and TCs are the same colour aren't you?

How simple is your world?

Read more, expand your outlook. Learn to apply general principles to solving problems ....

Apartheid is the vehicle by which groups of people are kept apart, usually one assigned to a lower status and restricted in HR/freedoms (e.g. movement).

Do you need me to point out who in Cyprus is prevented, by virtue of their race, from returning to their homes by 43,000 Turkish troops?

Apartheid is very different in Cyprus than what was in SA. In SA, the blacks could not advance economically, they could not hold positions of authority and in general could not govern their own people. They remained uneducated, and a life of poverty, unable to advance economically as they were not allowed.

The GC's govern themselves, and economically they have done very well compared to the North as they have freedom to trade and deal with every country in the world. GC's live a pretty good life, they have money, they have freedom and a strong economy, all be it on one side of the Island. The only apartheid being enforced is no access to former lands and property and the ability to govern the majority of the Island. Oracle its a big difference than SA and cannot be compared.

The salient point is one of segregation.

True, but really wrong terminology. No one says Apartheid is practiced in Korea for example?

[Oracle]

Everything I read about APARTHEID says it 'divided people up by COLOUR'. All you GCs and TCs are the same colour aren't you?

How simple is your world?

Read more, expand your outlook. Learn to apply general principles to solving problems ....

Apartheid is the vehicle by which groups of people are kept apart, usually one assigned to a lower status and restricted in HR/freedoms (e.g. movement).

Do you need me to point out who in Cyprus is prevented, by virtue of their race, from returning to their homes by 43,000 Turkish troops?

Apartheid is very different in Cyprus than what was in SA. In SA, the blacks could not advance economically, they could not hold positions of authority and in general could not govern their own people. They remained uneducated, and a life of poverty, unable to advance economically as they were not allowed.

The GC's govern themselves, and economically they have done very well compared to the North as they have freedom to trade and deal with every country in the world. GC's live a pretty good life, they have money, they have freedom and a strong economy, all be it on one side of the Island. The only apartheid being enforced is no access to former lands and property and the ability to govern the majority of the Island. Oracle its a big difference than SA and cannot be compared.

The salient point is one of segregation.

True, but really wrong terminology. No one says Apartheid is practiced in Korea for example?

I didn't mention Korea.

You are the idiot (a few posts further up) who brought in this irrelevant example. And now you disagree with yourself?