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by **DTA** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:44 am

Me Ed wrote:
DTA wrote:
Me Ed wrote:
DTA,

I can tell you with all honesty that none of my family ever murdered a TC or to this day ever advocated enosis with Greece.

We are all however denied, to this day, access to our property in the village that my ancestors enjoyed for 1000s of years.

Thank you for contributing, and i am sorry for that, I hope that one day that you will be either be allowed to return if you so wish, or you are compensated. Have you been back to the village? where is it by the way?

DTA,

I would quite happliy have a discussion with you about this and I will speak for myself.

I will not deny the wrong-doings by brothers as I hope that you will not deny the wrong doings of your brothers.

I resent accusations of genocide and domination levelled against the GCs as this is propaganda and a complete pack of lies.

As for my property in Ayios Epiktitos, compensation does does not even enter into the equation and I hope that we can all live in peace in the near future.

I thought that we could have this conversation here.

when you say that you resent the accusations of dominace what do you mean?

The issue of genocide.... from what I understand there was a plan to wipe the Turks from the Island but it was obviously never given the chance to be implemented completely, I am open to learn and I admit that my sources would have a TC bias so please if I have been misled please, show me where I can find unbias sources

by **Me Ed** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:10 am

DTA,

these are my views only.

Have you ever considered that the reason a genocide was never perpetrated against the TCs, was that despite the allegation that a plan existed to wipe the Turks from the Island, the average GC never wanted any part of it?

As for domination, we can go around in circles discussing what happened in the 60's and 70's and fortunately I am too young to carry all that nonsense baggage.

I can comment as to where I think the RoC is today:

The RoC is an modern democracy and a member of the EU.

As a member of the EU it is answerable to the ECJ and ECHR when is comes to minorities.

The RoC has dropped all notions of enosis with Greece.

The RoC has completely removed its dependance of Greece.

Even if Turkey removed all its troops today the RoC would have too much too loose in starting a conflict with the TCs.

What I understand TCs:

Completely dependant on Turkey.

Not exactly happy about the settlers.

The TCs are a reducing minority in the occupied areas.

In the next generation, the TCs will be consigned to history and there will only be a huge majority of settler Turks in northern Cyprus.

Majority have RoC passports.

Many commute to the RoC daily to work.

A small number engaged in exchange projects with GCs in the RoC. (very good!!)

Tell me more ...

by **DTA** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:00 am

Me Ed wrote:DTA,

these are my views only.

Have you ever considered that the reason a genocide was never perpetrated against the TCs, was that despite the allegation that a plan existed to wipe the Turks from the Island, the average GC never wanted any part of it?

The sad thing is, I understand where you are coming from. my own grand dad was saved by a GC woman (that he didnt know) that pleaded with GCs (that actually knew him) whom were going to kill him, thus saving his life.

The thought that innocent GC people like her may have been killed by what happened in 1974 truely and completely saddens me, without reservation.

Nico Samson said that he would wipe out the Turks from cyprus. and the Ipithos plan states how he would have done this (although to be honest I have never seen the document) and have only seen parts of it from TC sources.

Also there is a precident here, the Turks in crete who where a bigger minority then in Cyprus and were wiped out. So I dont think there would be TCs on the Island if it was not for the 1974 intervension.

So I do feel that the Genocide issue at least deserves further investigation? don't you?

As for domination, we can go around in circles discussing what happened in the 60's and 70's and fortunately I am too young to carry all that nonsense baggage.

I can comment as to where I think the RoC is today:

The RoC is an modern democracy and a member of the EU.

As a member of the EU it is answerable to the ECJ and ECHR when is comes to minorities.

The RoC has dropped all notions of enosis with Greece.

The RoC has completely removed its dependance of Greece.

Even if Turkey removed all its troops today the RoC would have too much too loose in starting a conflict with the TCs.

ok I understand what you are saying but could you answer why the following questions still exist:

-Where are the criminal cases against those that killed our people?
-Why do we have to spend 6 months in a country that is NOW foreign to us to claim our land (this is against human rights)?
-Why do you encourage the embargo on our people in the North of Cyprus? ( i know the answer to this - but it does not make it right)
- Where are our missing people?
- why dont you teach your people more of what was done to the TCs - then they will be more open to reconciliation?
- why do you not come down hard on racism on Turks (graffitti- army t-shirt saying the only good turk is a dead turk- in football games and the recent student march - how many arrests were there?

Now I know that you can put many of these point to the TRNC. But almost all GC will say that The TRNC simply does not exist as a legal entity, but the ROC does so please answer these in isolation.

What I understand TCs:

Completely dependant on Turkey.

Yep

Not exactly happy about the settlers.

Yep but this is more complicated then it may seem

The TCs are a reducing minority in the occupied areas.

Maybe but I have not seen it.

In the next generation, the TCs will be consigned to history and there will only be a huge majority of settler Turks in northern Cyprus.

really depends on so many different factors

Majority have RoC passports.

not sure of the figures tbh

Many commute to the RoC daily to work.

yep

A small number engaged in exchange projects with GCs in the RoC. (very good!!)

true we need more of these.

Tell me more ...

Ok, a lot of TC (and some of them very educated) believe that without Turkey the GC would attack them.

They believe that the sanctions the ROC puts on the TRNC are a further evidence of how the GC want to 'strangle' the TCs.

The land distribution in the North has not been fair, ie people who had loads of land in the south have been given not much in the north while others (better connected) have been given huge amounts of land.

Although there is still a lot of mistrust, most of the TC that I speak to want some form of solution.

The use of use TR identity cards rather then passports to gain entry in to TRNC has led to large number of criminals come in to the TRNC (Turkey takes away passports of those suspected of a crime)

This had led to a lot bad feeling towards the 'settlers'

there needs to be huge reforms in the Public sector - as it stands it is truely overbloated and underproductive.

o

Can you tell me more about the south, in the same vain as I have please,

maybe we should make a thread exploring only possible reasons why we think our own side is against a solution, what do you think?

by **BirKibrisli** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:30 am

Great to see two of the younger generation of Cypriots discussing these painful issues with empathy and compassion...I encourage you to continue in this vein,see how much you will learn from this exercise...And I want to discourage those who may want to come here with pure propaganda and spoil it for these two people...

by **DT.** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:41 am

BirKibrisli wrote:Great to see two of the younger generation of Cypriots discussing these painful issues with empathy and compassion...I encourage you to continue in this vein,see how much you will learn from this exercise...And I want to discourage those who may want to come here with pure propaganda and spoil it for these two people...

damn...fine :oops:

by **BirKibrisli** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:08 am

DT. wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Great to see two of the younger generation of Cypriots discussing these painful issues with empathy and compassion...I encourage you to continue in this vein,see how much you will learn from this exercise...And I want to discourage those who may want to come here with pure propaganda and spoil it for these two people...

damn...fine