Cyprus-Forum.com

[BirKibrisli]

all is needed is for the mathematician to drop in...

Who is the mathematician???

Mr 2.53682% Yfred.

Oh,now I remember...He wasn't far off from the 3% of the land the TCs were reportedly squeezed in,if I am getting the reference right...

[DT.]

all is needed is for the mathematician to drop in...

Who is the mathematician???

Mr 2.53682% Yfred.

Oh,now I remember...He wasn't far off from the 3% of the land the TCs were reportedly squeezed in,if I am getting the reference right...

Seriously Bir, were did you guys get that figure off? The Map in the turkish propaganda website www.greekmurderers.net ( ) shows about 15% of the island.

[Get Real!]

all is needed is for the mathematician to drop in...

Who is the mathematician???

Mr 2.53682% Yfred.

Isn’t that the Turkish Cypriot value of Pi??? You know… the number of pies Y-Fronts can gobble down in five minutes to maintain his pot belly…

[YFred]

all is needed is for the mathematician to drop in...

Who is the mathematician???

Mr 2.53682% Yfred.

Isn’t that the Turkish Cypriot value of Pi??? You know… the number of pies Y-Fronts can gobble down in five minutes to maintain his pot belly…

So long as it's not pork, I operate on a sea food diet basis. I see it and then I eat it.
I lived those times. What times they were too.

[BirKibrisli]

all is needed is for the mathematician to drop in...

Who is the mathematician???

Mr 2.53682% Yfred.

Oh,now I remember...He wasn't far off from the 3% of the land the TCs were reportedly squeezed in,if I am getting the reference right...

Seriously Bir, were did you guys get that figure off? The Map in the turkish propaganda website www.greekmurderers.net ( ) shows about 15% of the island.

I first saw it on this forum,DT...So it must be right...

[DT.]

all is needed is for the mathematician to drop in...

Who is the mathematician???

Mr 2.53682% Yfred.

Oh,now I remember...He wasn't far off from the 3% of the land the TCs were reportedly squeezed in,if I am getting the reference right...

Seriously Bir, were did you guys get that figure off? The Map in the turkish propaganda website www.greekmurderers.net ( ) shows about 15% of the island.

I first saw it on this forum,DT...So it must be right...

OH OK then!

[BirKibrisli]

all is needed is for the mathematician to drop in...

Who is the mathematician???

Mr 2.53682% Yfred.

Isn’t that the Turkish Cypriot value of Pi??? You know… the number of pies Y-Fronts can gobble down in five minutes to maintain his pot belly…

So long as it's not pork, I operate on a sea food diet basis. I see it and then I eat it.
I lived those times. What times they were too.

When my daughter was little she had this favourite dinner table trick...she'd ask people "Do you like sea food?"...And if anyone said yes,
she'd open her mouth full of half-chewed food and showed them...I fell for it too the first time...

[YFred]

all is needed is for the mathematician to drop in...

Who is the mathematician???

Mr 2.53682% Yfred.

Isn’t that the Turkish Cypriot value of Pi??? You know… the number of pies Y-Fronts can gobble down in five minutes to maintain his pot belly…

Just because I have 12 pack, you is just jealous, but do not fret, everything else is in proportion. The Greek girls loved it.

[CBBB]

all is needed is for the mathematician to drop in...

Who is the mathematician???

Mr 2.53682% Yfred.

Isn’t that the Turkish Cypriot value of Pi??? You know… the number of pies Y-Fronts can gobble down in five minutes to maintain his pot belly…

Just because I have 12 pack, you is just jealous, but do not fret, everything else is in proportion. The Greek girls loved it.

What, your 2.53682% of a dick?

[Me Ed]

DTA,

these are my views only.

Have you ever considered that the reason a genocide was never perpetrated against the TCs, was that despite the allegation that a plan existed to wipe the Turks from the Island, the average GC never wanted any part of it?

The sad thing is, I understand where you are coming from. my own grand dad was saved by a GC woman (that he didnt know) that pleaded with GCs (that actually knew him) whom were going to kill him, thus saving his life.

The thought that innocent GC people like her may have been killed by what happened in 1974 truely and completely saddens me, without reservation.

Nico Samson said that he would wipe out the Turks from cyprus. and the Ipithos plan states how he would have done this (although to be honest I have never seen the document) and have only seen parts of it from TC sources.

Also there is a precident here, the Turks in crete who where a bigger minority then in Cyprus and were wiped out. So I dont think there would be TCs on the Island if it was not for the 1974 intervension.

So I do feel that the Genocide issue at least deserves further investigation? don't you?

As for domination, we can go around in circles discussing what happened in the 60's and 70's and fortunately I am too young to carry all that nonsense baggage.

I can comment as to where I think the RoC is today:

The RoC is an modern democracy and a member of the EU.

As a member of the EU it is answerable to the ECJ and ECHR when is comes to minorities.

The RoC has dropped all notions of enosis with Greece.

The RoC has completely removed its dependance of Greece.

Even if Turkey removed all its troops today the RoC would have too much too loose in starting a conflict with the TCs.


ok I understand what you are saying but could you answer why the following questions still exist:

-Where are the criminal cases against those that killed our people?
-Why do we have to spend 6 months in a country that is NOW foreign to us to claim our land (this is against human rights)?
-Why do you encourage the embargo on our people in the North of Cyprus? ( i know the answer to this - but it does not make it right)
- Where are our missing people?
- why dont you teach your people more of what was done to the TCs - then they will be more open to reconciliation?
- why do you not come down hard on racism on Turks (graffitti- army t-shirt saying the only good turk is a dead turk- in football games and the recent student march - how many arrests were there?

Now I know that you can put many of these point to the TRNC. But almost all GC will say that The TRNC simply does not exist as a legal entity, but the ROC does so please answer these in isolation.

What I understand TCs:

Completely dependant on Turkey.

Yep

Not exactly happy about the settlers.

Yep but this is more complicated then it may seem

The TCs are a reducing minority in the occupied areas.

Maybe but I have not seen it.

In the next generation, the TCs will be consigned to history and there will only be a huge majority of settler Turks in northern Cyprus.

really depends on so many different factors

Majority have RoC passports.

not sure of the figures tbh

Many commute to the RoC daily to work.

yep

A small number engaged in exchange projects with GCs in the RoC. (very good!!)

true we need more of these.

Tell me more ...

Ok, a lot of TC (and some of them very educated) believe that without Turkey the GC would attack them.

They believe that the sanctions the ROC puts on the TRNC are a further evidence of how the GC want to 'strangle' the TCs.

The land distribution in the North has not been fair, ie people who had loads of land in the south have been given not much in the north while others (better connected) have been given huge amounts of land.

Although there is still a lot of mistrust, most of the TC that I speak to want some form of solution.

The use of use TR identity cards rather then passports to gain entry in to TRNC has led to large number of criminals come in to the TRNC (Turkey takes away passports of those suspected of a crime)

This had led to a lot bad feeling towards the 'settlers'

there needs to be huge reforms in the Public sector - as it stands it is truely overbloated and underproductive.

o

Can you tell me more about the south, in the same vain as I have please,

maybe we should make a thread exploring only possible reasons why we think our own side is against a solution, what do you think?

DTA,

I wouldn't allow the activities of extemists views and the actions of EOKA-B backed up by a corrupt Greek militay dictatorship of the time cloud your judgement of the GCs today, just as I personally do not allow the views and past actions of TMT cloud my view of TCs today.

There are a lot of personal accounts from contributors to this forum of atrocities and personal losses and there are a lot of questions and actions that both sides need to admit and apologise for.

I believe that this can only be achieved through some type of truth and reconciliation commission similar to what happened in South Africa.

President Christofias has made a public apology to the TC people, it would count for a lot if the TC side did the same.

As for student T-shirts and protests, I believe that these are not necessarily directed towards TCs, but more directed towards Turkey and indicative towards resentment at the on-going occupation of of our land by Turkey.

As for the embargos, the world has stood in judgement of Turkey's actions and blunders during the occupation and as asked for their withdrawal from the Island. My opinion that perhaps the punishment of sanctions has been mis-directed towards the TCs and should have been directed towards Turkey. However, probably because of Turkeys role in the cold war during that time the TCs have been made to pay the price.

I agree the 6 month time limit on TC property is too long, however the GCs are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to their property.

It's a shame that the TCs feel that the GCs would attack them if the Turkish army left and feel that this is groundless as I feel that the GCs of today are very different of the GCs back then

What's the evidence?

I believe GCs are no match for the Turkish military.

The notion of enosis with Greece, the motivation behind the coup in 74 is dead.

When the crossings were opened, there has been no bloodbath or terrorist activities on the GC side - in fact it's quite the opposite.

If you take a look around the RoC and observe the affluence, you will notice that it's citizens have far too much to loose in starting another conflict with the TCs.

The respective communities in London get along just fine - as they have always done.