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[DT.]

Recognition of ROC is based on the decision of the Security council of UN which is a political body and not a Judicial Body. As simple as that. In fact, in legal terms, the current ROC is illegal and unconstitutional because Turkish Cypriots were expelled from the government. All other decidsions like ECHR and ECJ are based on the decision of UN which is political. As simple as that.
ismet

So after 35 years at last some are getting the message that such resolutions are empty words. You cannot solve a probleoblem and by getting your mates to pass resolutions. Turkey gets her mates and pass resolutions in favour of TRNC with the Islamic Conferences. So what?

A problem can be solved only by adressing the problem and not by having resolutions passed by people who care very little about the population affected. Otherwise you can sing the same song until the cows come home.
ismet

If resolutions were empty words then how come the Republic of Cyprus is the only recognised government on this island?

You just said resolutions were empty words and now you're saying the security council is a polcitical body....yes..and?

If the Republic of Cyprus is illegal then why doesn't Turkey take Cyprus to court? Why don't we let the ICJ decide who's right in the Cyprus Problem? WHy did Turkey refuse both invitations of Greece for the Aegean and of Cyprus to resolve this through the ICJ?

[YFred]

Recognition of ROC is based on the decision of the Security council of UN which is a political body and not a Judicial Body. As simple as that. In fact, in legal terms, the current ROC is illegal and unconstitutional because Turkish Cypriots were expelled from the government. All other decidsions like ECHR and ECJ are based on the decision of UN which is political. As simple as that.
ismet

So after 35 years at last some are getting the message that such resolutions are empty words. You cannot solve a probleoblem and by getting your mates to pass resolutions. Turkey gets her mates and pass resolutions in favour of TRNC with the Islamic Conferences. So what?

A problem can be solved only by adressing the problem and not by having resolutions passed by people who care very little about the population affected. Otherwise you can sing the same song until the cows come home.
ismet

If resolutions were empty words then how come the Republic of Cyprus is the only recognised government on this island?

You just said resolutions were empty words and now you're saying the security council is a polcitical body....yes..and?

If the Republic of Cyprus is illegal then why doesn't Turkey take Cyprus to court? Why don't we let the ICJ decide who's right in the Cyprus Problem? WHy did Turkey refuse both invitations of Greece for the Aegean and of Cyprus to resolve this through the ICJ?

Because political problems can only be solved through political agreement. This coming from a student of Politics. Shame on you.

[Get Real!]

The problem is that Greek Cypriots did not wish to share the government and they expelled the Turkish cypriots from the government.

Not according to the UN Secretary-General of the time…

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

(UN document S/6426)

So, not only have your predictions for the future failed miserably (“Orams win”, “Direct flights”, “Direct trade”, “Annexation”, “Recognition” etc), but your “knowledge” of the past is yet another embarrassment for you!

[Get Real!]

Because political problems can only be solved through political agreement. This coming from a student of Politics. Shame on you.

Where did you get that rubbish from? Political problems are solved via INTERNATIONAL LAW which has laid down authorized organizations and courts to deal with such issues, hence:

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

[Get Real!]

Recognition of ROC is based on the decision of the Security council of UN which is a political body and not a Judicial Body.

The UN itself represented by its many bodies, IS the international law...

http://www.un.org/en/law/index.shtml

In fact, in legal terms, the current ROC is illegal and unconstitutional because Turkish Cypriots were expelled from the government.

Not according to the UN but your flawed knowledge of Cyprus history, but even if your allegation was true it would STILL not qualify to dissolve the Cyprus constitution.

All other decidsions like ECHR and ECJ are based on the decision of UN which is political. As simple as that.

The ECHR and ECJ belong to the Council of Europe not the UN!

[elko]

The same United Nations watched whilst the Moslems in the so called Safe Areas were murdered by the Serbians. Of course the Turkish Cypriots wished to ramain segregated until precautions were taken to safeguard them from the murderous Greek Cypriots.
ismet

The problem is that Greek Cypriots did not wish to share the government and they expelled the Turkish cypriots from the government.

Not according to the UN Secretary-General of the time…

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

(UN document S/6426)

So, not only have your predictions for the future failed miserably (“Orams win”, “Direct flights”, “Direct trade”, “Annexation”, “Recognition” etc), but your “knowledge” of the past is yet another embarrassment for you!

[Get Real!]

The same United Nations watched whilst the Moslems in the so called Safe Areas were murdered by the Serbians.

Oh we've jumped to Serbia now have we?

Of course the Turkish Cypriots wished to ramain segregated until precautions were taken to safeguard them from the murderous Greek Cypriots.

Did the UN Secretary General say that or is this yet another one of your "wise" interpretations of events?

Then you must know the TC vs GC casualty figures for 1963..67 to have come up with a description like… “the murderous Greek Cypriots” …so why don’t you inform us and post your credible source?

Don’t embarrass the C44 readers now…

[halil]

Turkey's answer not delayed !

TURKISH MINISTER OF STATE SAYS HIS COUNTRY HAS NO PLANS OR INTENTION OF WITHDRAWING SOLDIERS FROM CYPRUS


The Turkish Minister of State-Chief negotiator for the EU Egemen Bagis has said that Turkey has no intention or plans to withdraw its troops from Cyprus. Bagis said that EU membership was an important process for Turkey but not significant enough to sacrifice Cyprus.

The Turkish Minister of State who commented on the European Parliament’s report on Turkey prior to his meeting with Atlantic Council President Frederick Kempe in Ankara said that that it was not possible for Turkey to accept the sections in the report concerning Cyprus.
He said that the report accepted at a time when the two sides in Cyprus were negotiating a settlement did not contribute to the process.

Pointing out that Turkey was not the only country which had troops stationed in Cyprus, Bagis said that Turkish troops assumed the role of restoring peace and stability on the island.

"Turkish troops on the island assume a very important task to restore peace there. The EU process is important for Turkey, however, it is not important enough to sacrifice Cyprus. Cyprus is a national cause for all of us," he noted.

The Turkish Minister of State also reiterated his country’s support to the ongoing negotiations aimed at reaching a just and lasting solution to the Cyprus Problem.

European lawmakers yesterday endorsed a resolution that called on Turkey to withdraw its troops from Cyprus.
The resolution, penned by Dutch parliamentarian Ria Oomen-Ruijten on Turkey's progress report 2009, was approved by a large majority of the members of the European Parliament.

The MEPs urged Turkey "to begin prompt withdrawal of troops from Cyprus, and resolve the issue of Turkish citizens settled in the island as well as allow Greek Cypriot access to Maras.".

REACTION TO EP RESOLUTION

The German Turkish Associations Initiative platform which represents the 3 million Turks living in Germany has reacted strongly to the European Parliament resolution on Turkey’s progress report. It said that the resolution on Turkey and Cyprus was totally unacceptable.

The initiative together with the TRNC honorary consul to Germany Kandemir Ozdemir sent a letter of protest to the European Parliament’s Rapporteur to Turkey Ria Oemnnen-Ruijten.

The letter clearly states that the resolution is nothing more than an attempt to hand control of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus to the Greek Cypriot Administration.

Pointing out that the resolution also intervenes in Turkey’s internal affairs, the letter said that the decision was taken to protect the European Parliament’s own interests and was clear proof that double standards were being implemented to please the Greek Cypriot lobby.

“The European Parliament Resolution is in contradiction with the negotiations conducted in Cyprus on the basis of UN parameters” it said.

The initiative also pointed out in its letter that the resolution was a clear indication that the European Union will not keep its promise to ease the international isolation of the TRNC.

“The resolution demonstrates that the Greek Cypriot Side and the European Union do not want a solution in Cyprus” the letter states.

[runaway]

Bagis said that EU membership was an important process for Turkey but not significant enough to sacrifice Cyprus.

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After Cemil Çiçek, same declaration from the government! Bravo AKP, I will almost vote for you.

[Get Real!]

Turkey's answer not delayed !

TURKISH MINISTER OF STATE SAYS HIS COUNTRY HAS NO PLANS OR INTENTION OF WITHDRAWING SOLDIERS FROM CYPRUS

Then you have nothing to negotiate do you?