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[erolz3]

We tried the Gandhi methods many times. Here is the kind of answer we were receiving from the barbarian butchers

LOL. You remind me of the father character in the film my big fat greek wedding

So it was Greeks who formalised and implemented the philosphy and strategy of 'passive resistance' as a non violent means of challening colonial rule and NOT Gandhi, who is widely credited with such an achievement ? Well there you go. Yet one more thing 'stolen' from the Greeks by the non greek, greek hating world I guess.

[Sotos]

Independence means the Cypriot people to be free from those British and Turkish invaders and decide independently from them what to do.

And so once more we come to the real 'core' of the problem. Only GC can or should have any say over the future of Cyprus, because they are the 'real' Cypriots. TC should not and can not have any say over their own future in CYprus because they are 'Turkish Invaders'. Thasnk you for saying plainly what you mean, unlike some more 'sophisticated' GC posters here

With attitudes like this remianing even in 2010 can you really doubt that a numericaly smaller and economicaly weaker TC community in Cyprus was treated as 2nd class citizens in the 50s ?

You treated us like second class people for 300 years. Do you deny this? What kind of say did we have during those 300 years? NONE! And if you wanted Cyprus to be independent then why didn't you make it independent all those centuries? You remembered "independence" a few decades after your empire lost the rule of Cyprus! Your minority can have 18% of say because you are the 18%. Fair and square! Not like when you ruled Cyprus that you gave to the 80% of the people 0% say!

[erolz3]

A strange defintion of Cypriot. You would not be questioning my sexuality would you ?

There are rumors that you sleep with your laptop…

Laptop ? Laptop !

You go to far GR. How dare you suggest I would contemplate 'relations' with something as puny and underpowered as a laptop. You should be banned for such insults.

Full core i7 920 overclocked to 4Ghz, 6GB DDR3 ram at 1600mhz, with twin raid 0 Intel 160GB SSD drives and twin 5850 grpahics cards in crossfire configuation and 30inch monitor. Now THAT is a machine worthy of a Cypriot like me sleeping with.

Laptop. Pah!

[georgios100]

These statements are totally irresponsible. History offers many lessons to be learned. To gain independence, blood must be shed, always! Freedom must be earned by armed struggle, nothing else will do, you know that!

Tell that to Mahatma Gandhi.

Georgios100
Gandhi always wanted a "no violence" movement. In reality thousands of indians died by colonial forces... it's all black & white, in history books that is.

If you don’t want to fight, you are either a coward or a faggot, not a Cypriot, period.
Bear in mind, here in Cyprus, we do not tolerate cowards or faggots, period.

A strange defintion of Cypriot. You would not be questioning my sexuality would you ? I am sure you would not be so extreme as to state publicaly that someone who was a pacifist or heaven forbid not hetrosexual could not be a 'true' Cypriot and should be removed from Cyprus ?

Georgios100
I was 20 years old back at year 1974. I was a soldier. I fought that war. Did you? I guess not, judging from your comments. Being in front of a computer keyboard typing opinions is one thing, being there, at war, is another. I suggest you have more respect about a true Cypriot and no,
I am not referring to YOUR sexual preferences, I speak in general.

[Malapapa]

Independence means the Cypriot people to be free from those British and Turkish invaders and decide independently from them what to do.

And so once more we come to the real 'core' of the problem. Only GC can or should have any say over the future of Cyprus, because they are the 'real' Cypriots. TC should not and can not have any say over their own future in CYprus because they are 'Turkish Invaders'. Thasnk you for saying plainly what you mean, unlike some more 'sophisticated' GC posters here

With attitudes like this remianing even in 2010 can you really doubt that a numericaly smaller and economicaly weaker TC community in Cyprus was treated as 2nd class citizens in the 50s ?

After 1960, the numerically even smaller and economically even weaker Maronite, Armenian and Latin communities weren't treated as even 3rd or 4th class citizens as constitutionally they ceased to exist. Would you agree that such a racist, apartheid system of governance should never have been imposed on the Cypriot people, erolz?

[Get Real!]

A strange defintion of Cypriot. You would not be questioning my sexuality would you ?

There are rumors that you sleep with your laptop…

Laptop ? Laptop !

You go to far GR. How dare you suggest I would contemplate 'relations' with something as puny and underpowered as a laptop. You should be banned for such insults.

Full core i7 920 overclocked to 4Ghz, 6GB DDR3 ram at 1600mhz, with twin raid 0 Intel 160GB SSD drives and twin 5850 grpahics cards in crossfire configuation and 30inch monitor. Now THAT is a machine worthy of a Cypriot like me sleeping with.

Laptop. Pah!

Isn’t the i7 hardware for gamers… are you a gamer? (NB: not to be confused with “gay”)

[Malapapa]

What would have happened if Cyprus had waited until 14 December 1960?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Na ... ution_1514

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

Exactly. Peoples (plural) - without ANY DISTINCTION to race. How can you possibly claim enosis made no distinction to race ?

Enosis? Who mentioned enosis. I was talking about independence.

Enosis was exclusively an ideology of race. How can you possibly claim that for a TC union of their shared homeland with Greece represented them being able to "enjoy complete independence and freedom" ?

I don't. Not only for TCs but for all Cypriots. "Complete independence and freedom" was achieved in 2004 with EU accession, which the Republic secured for its entire territory (with the acquis sadly suspended in the north, pending the departure of controlling troops from Turkey).

[erolz3]

After 1960, the numerically even smaller and economically even weaker Maronite, Armenian and Latin communities weren't treated as even 3rd or 4th class citizens as constitutionally they ceased to exist.

Nor do I believe they were treated as 2nd class citizens before 1960 to the same degree as TC frequently were, for whilst not being Greek they did share a common religion and they were not pecieved as and tought through the Greek education system and Greek church as having been the 'enemies of hellenism' as the TC were and nor did they represent a block on the GC desire for enosis because of their numbers and because helenisation did not mean to them as Cypriots what it meant to TC as CYpriots. Even then and still today they have issue as a community within the RoC with regards to maintaing their culture and heritage, just not the same degree as those suffered by TC in general pre 74.

Would you agree that such a racist, apartheid system of governance should never have been introduced on the Cypriot people, erolz?

Not really. I agree that the 60's agreements contained weaknesses and flaws and as a compromise they did not satisfy either party wholly. However I share the view of that expressed by Professor Dr. Ernst Forsthoff of Hiedlberg University who was appointed as president of the Supreme Consitutional Court in Cyprus and who resigned in the face of Makarios' refusal to recnogise the legal ruling of this court when he said

Every consitution can have its peculiar problems. There is no consitution in the world which has not got its particular difficulties and problems. This is primarily a question of goodwill. If there is goodwill a constituion can be implemented and this Constituion (RoC in 60's) is capable of being implemented.

I do accpet that the 60's consitution can be considered racist if one wish to do so but no more so than the idea of enosis is racist in the same sense.

[erolz3]

Enosis? Who mentioned enosis. I was talking about independence.

Well I believe that Indpedance could have been achieved by Cypriots, without a resort to violence and almost certainly without the need for the kind of protections for the TC that the 60's agreements contained IF indepedance had of been the sincere objective of the GC community and not just a means to an end of enosis (a secure bastion from which the Greeks people of Cyprus can achieve their goal, in Makarios type language). Unfortunately for all of us subsequently this was NOT the case was it ?

"Complete independence and freedom" was achieved in 2004 with EU accession, which the Republic secured for its entire territory (with the acquis sadly suspended in the north, pending the departure of controlling troops from Turkey).

Actually accession to the EU requires seeding of significant aspects of a states sovreignty and full indepedance to an entity large that the state itself. Not that that is a bad thing, but its kind of ironic to say complete indepedance and freedome (for Cypriots) was achieved when we gave up our sovriegn rights to x, y and z. At least it seems so to me.

[erolz3]

Isn’t the i7 hardware for gamers… are you a gamer? (NB: not to be confused with “gay”)

Actually the LGA1366 based i7 processors are currently the big daddy of any desktop processors, intel or AMD and lead in benchmarks for just about everything going.

But yes they are kickass gamer processors and I do game on my PC amongst other things, when I am not wasting my time here that is.