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[BirKibrisli]

Counter to your lenient testimony about the TMT status in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots still see TMT as a threat to peace. Many are convinced that TMT was behind the "Solomos incident". What is your take of the Solomos incident? Who was behind this? Was this killing "the right thing to do"? What is the general feeling amongst the TC community? Is this kind of behaviour tolerated in your society?

I really don't see how the TMT is a threat to peace or anything else these days...Volkan newspaper is reflecting the voice of the old TMT for sure,Denktash is one of their columnists,but I would be very surprised if they have much sway these days...TMT could not have been behind the Solomos killing,simply because nobody knew he was planning to climb the flag pole...It was a waste of a life,and a shameful incident for the TC society as a whole,Georgio...I am sure they know who the killer was,but like most of our 'Killers" this one too will get away with murder,I am afraid..Which is a pity,because unless we deal with these issues openly and honestly,we cannot truly expect to have mutual trust and understanding...We need a truth and reconciliation commission badly in Cyprus,I believe...The sooner the better...

There are probably a minority of fanatical nationalists who would say "any hand that is raised to tear down our flag should be cut off" or some such nonsense,but I am sure the majority of the people would be appauled at such a pointless and tragic loss of a life...

[georgios100]

Counter to your lenient testimony about the TMT status in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots still see TMT as a threat to peace. Many are convinced that TMT was behind the "Solomos incident". What is your take of the Solomos incident? Who was behind this? Was this killing "the right thing to do"? What is the general feeling amongst the TC community? Is this kind of behaviour tolerated in your society?

I really don't see how the TMT is a threat to peace or anything else these days...Volkan newspaper is reflecting the voice of the old TMT for sure,Denktash is one of their columnists,but I would be very surprised if they have much sway these days...TMT could not have been behind the Solomos killing,simply because nobody knew he was planning to climb the flag pole...It was a waste of a life,and a shameful incident for the TC society as a whole,Georgio...I am sure they know who the killer was,but like most of our 'Killers" this one too will get away with murder,I am afraid..Which is a pity,because unless we deal with these issues openly and honestly,we cannot truly expect to have mutual trust and understanding...We need a truth and reconciliation commission badly in Cyprus,I believe...The sooner the better...

There are probably a minority of fanatical nationalists who would say "any hand that is raised to tear down our flag should be cut off" or some such nonsense,but I am sure the majority of the people would be appauled at such a pointless and tragic loss of a life...

Thanks for your response Bir,

I was reading a bit about the "deep state" in Turkey. I understand this has to do with being a Turk as a nationalist, loyal to tradition, existence etc.

I have a few of questions for you, best to be answered first hand, by a Turk or I should say a Turkish Cypriot. Not clear to me which one applies to you.

1. What is the difference, if any, between a Turk (from Turkey) and a Turkish Cypriot? Us, the GCs, don't see any difference whatsoever.
2. Do you think the concept "deep state" applies to Turkish Cypriots?
3. Is the "deep state" compatible with EU values?
4. Was or is the TMT in line or against with the "deep state" principals?
5. Do you like Turkey to call the shots in northern Cyprus or do you want to be completely self governed under the EU umbrella?

I know these are big questions to be answered in simple terms. Take your time and reply with realistic and informative manner rather than taking a "hardliner" stance which defeats the purpose of this conversation.

Thank you in advance.

Georgios100

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[DT.]

Counter to your lenient testimony about the TMT status in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots still see TMT as a threat to peace. Many are convinced that TMT was behind the "Solomos incident". What is your take of the Solomos incident? Who was behind this? Was this killing "the right thing to do"? What is the general feeling amongst the TC community? Is this kind of behaviour tolerated in your society?

I really don't see how the TMT is a threat to peace or anything else these days...Volkan newspaper is reflecting the voice of the old TMT for sure,Denktash is one of their columnists,but I would be very surprised if they have much sway these days...TMT could not have been behind the Solomos killing,simply because nobody knew he was planning to climb the flag pole...It was a waste of a life,and a shameful incident for the TC society as a whole,Georgio...I am sure they know who the killer was,but like most of our 'Killers" this one too will get away with murder,I am afraid..Which is a pity,because unless we deal with these issues openly and honestly,we cannot truly expect to have mutual trust and understanding...We need a truth and reconciliation commission badly in Cyprus,I believe...The sooner the better...

There are probably a minority of fanatical nationalists who would say "any hand that is raised to tear down our flag should be cut off" or some such nonsense,but I am sure the majority of the people would be appauled at such a pointless and tragic loss of a life...

Thanks for your response Bir,

I was reading a bit about the "deep state" in Turkey. I understand this has to do with being a Turk as a nationalist, loyal to tradition, existence etc.

I have a few of questions for you, best to be answered first hand, by a Turk or I should say a Turkish Cypriot. Not clear to me which one applies to you.

1. What is the difference, if any, between a Turk (from Turkey) and a Turkish Cypriot? Us, the GCs, don't see any difference whatsoever.
2. Do you think the concept "deep state" applies to Turkish Cypriots?
3. Is the "deep state" compatible with EU values?
4. Was or is the TMT in line or against with the "deep state" principals?
5. Do you like Turkey to call the shots in northern Cyprus or do you want to be completely self governed under the EU umbrella?

I know these are big questions to be answered in simple terms. Take your time and reply with realistic and informative manner rather than taking a "hardliner" stance which defeats the purpose of this conversation.

Thank you in advance.

Georgios100

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To all CF members who would like to join this topic, please try to contribute in a civilized manner and avoid harsh or inflammatory comments.
Just this one time, let's talk. Fighting can resume in other threads .
Thank you.

Starting from the 1st point you made, i'd refrain from using the sentence "us the gc's" especially when making such claims as the one above.

[georgios100]

Counter to your lenient testimony about the TMT status in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots still see TMT as a threat to peace. Many are convinced that TMT was behind the "Solomos incident". What is your take of the Solomos incident? Who was behind this? Was this killing "the right thing to do"? What is the general feeling amongst the TC community? Is this kind of behaviour tolerated in your society?

I really don't see how the TMT is a threat to peace or anything else these days...Volkan newspaper is reflecting the voice of the old TMT for sure,Denktash is one of their columnists,but I would be very surprised if they have much sway these days...TMT could not have been behind the Solomos killing,simply because nobody knew he was planning to climb the flag pole...It was a waste of a life,and a shameful incident for the TC society as a whole,Georgio...I am sure they know who the killer was,but like most of our 'Killers" this one too will get away with murder,I am afraid..Which is a pity,because unless we deal with these issues openly and honestly,we cannot truly expect to have mutual trust and understanding...We need a truth and reconciliation commission badly in Cyprus,I believe...The sooner the better...

There are probably a minority of fanatical nationalists who would say "any hand that is raised to tear down our flag should be cut off" or some such nonsense,but I am sure the majority of the people would be appauled at such a pointless and tragic loss of a life...

Thanks for your response Bir,

I was reading a bit about the "deep state" in Turkey. I understand this has to do with being a Turk as a nationalist, loyal to tradition, existence etc.

I have a few of questions for you, best to be answered first hand, by a Turk or I should say a Turkish Cypriot. Not clear to me which one applies to you.

1. What is the difference, if any, between a Turk (from Turkey) and a Turkish Cypriot? Us, the GCs, don't see any difference whatsoever.
2. Do you think the concept "deep state" applies to Turkish Cypriots?
3. Is the "deep state" compatible with EU values?
4. Was or is the TMT in line or against with the "deep state" principals?
5. Do you like Turkey to call the shots in northern Cyprus or do you want to be completely self governed under the EU umbrella?

I know these are big questions to be answered in simple terms. Take your time and reply with realistic and informative manner rather than taking a "hardliner" stance which defeats the purpose of this conversation.

Thank you in advance.

Georgios100

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To all CF members who would like to join this topic, please try to contribute in a civilized manner and avoid harsh or inflammatory comments.
Just this one time, let's talk. Fighting can resume in other threads .
Thank you.

Starting from the 1st point you made, i'd refrain from using the sentence "us the gc's" especially when making such claims as the one above.

Item 1. Except the birthplace location which differs the TCs from Turkey born Turks. That's what I meant. Not sure if this answers your statement.
Georgios100

[DT.]

Counter to your lenient testimony about the TMT status in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots still see TMT as a threat to peace. Many are convinced that TMT was behind the "Solomos incident". What is your take of the Solomos incident? Who was behind this? Was this killing "the right thing to do"? What is the general feeling amongst the TC community? Is this kind of behaviour tolerated in your society?

I really don't see how the TMT is a threat to peace or anything else these days...Volkan newspaper is reflecting the voice of the old TMT for sure,Denktash is one of their columnists,but I would be very surprised if they have much sway these days...TMT could not have been behind the Solomos killing,simply because nobody knew he was planning to climb the flag pole...It was a waste of a life,and a shameful incident for the TC society as a whole,Georgio...I am sure they know who the killer was,but like most of our 'Killers" this one too will get away with murder,I am afraid..Which is a pity,because unless we deal with these issues openly and honestly,we cannot truly expect to have mutual trust and understanding...We need a truth and reconciliation commission badly in Cyprus,I believe...The sooner the better...

There are probably a minority of fanatical nationalists who would say "any hand that is raised to tear down our flag should be cut off" or some such nonsense,but I am sure the majority of the people would be appauled at such a pointless and tragic loss of a life...

Thanks for your response Bir,

I was reading a bit about the "deep state" in Turkey. I understand this has to do with being a Turk as a nationalist, loyal to tradition, existence etc.

I have a few of questions for you, best to be answered first hand, by a Turk or I should say a Turkish Cypriot. Not clear to me which one applies to you.

1. What is the difference, if any, between a Turk (from Turkey) and a Turkish Cypriot? Us, the GCs, don't see any difference whatsoever.
2. Do you think the concept "deep state" applies to Turkish Cypriots?
3. Is the "deep state" compatible with EU values?
4. Was or is the TMT in line or against with the "deep state" principals?
5. Do you like Turkey to call the shots in northern Cyprus or do you want to be completely self governed under the EU umbrella?

I know these are big questions to be answered in simple terms. Take your time and reply with realistic and informative manner rather than taking a "hardliner" stance which defeats the purpose of this conversation.

Thank you in advance.

Georgios100

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To all CF members who would like to join this topic, please try to contribute in a civilized manner and avoid harsh or inflammatory comments.
Just this one time, let's talk. Fighting can resume in other threads .
Thank you.

Starting from the 1st point you made, i'd refrain from using the sentence "us the gc's" especially when making such claims as the one above.

Item 1. Except the birthplace location which differs the TCs from Turkey born Turks. That's what I meant. Not sure if this answers your statement.
Georgios100

not even close mate.

[Tim Drayton]

I think it is a mistake to think of the Turkish 'deep state' as being a purely Turkish phenomenon. This entity has its roots in one of a number of clandestine organisations that were set up during the cold war by NATO in countries which it was felt may come under Soviet ocupation, and with the aim of conducting guerilla war if this should happen. In several countries these organisations exceeded their initial role and became imbroiled in all manner of illegal acts. A sister organisation known as 'Gladio' has had an equally dark past in Italy where it was responsible for things like the Turin station bombing. Gladio in Italy was exposed by the dedicated efforts of a public prosecutor named Felice Casson, as a result of which it was disbanded. The Turkish 'deep state', in my view, is a cancer that is eating way at the country and many progressive Turkish people hope to see it go the same way as Gladio.

[georgios100]

Counter to your lenient testimony about the TMT status in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots still see TMT as a threat to peace. Many are convinced that TMT was behind the "Solomos incident". What is your take of the Solomos incident? Who was behind this? Was this killing "the right thing to do"? What is the general feeling amongst the TC community? Is this kind of behaviour tolerated in your society?

I really don't see how the TMT is a threat to peace or anything else these days...Volkan newspaper is reflecting the voice of the old TMT for sure,Denktash is one of their columnists,but I would be very surprised if they have much sway these days...TMT could not have been behind the Solomos killing,simply because nobody knew he was planning to climb the flag pole...It was a waste of a life,and a shameful incident for the TC society as a whole,Georgio...I am sure they know who the killer was,but like most of our 'Killers" this one too will get away with murder,I am afraid..Which is a pity,because unless we deal with these issues openly and honestly,we cannot truly expect to have mutual trust and understanding...We need a truth and reconciliation commission badly in Cyprus,I believe...The sooner the better...

There are probably a minority of fanatical nationalists who would say "any hand that is raised to tear down our flag should be cut off" or some such nonsense,but I am sure the majority of the people would be appauled at such a pointless and tragic loss of a life...

Thanks for your response Bir,

I was reading a bit about the "deep state" in Turkey. I understand this has to do with being a Turk as a nationalist, loyal to tradition, existence etc.

I have a few of questions for you, best to be answered first hand, by a Turk or I should say a Turkish Cypriot. Not clear to me which one applies to you.

1. What is the difference, if any, between a Turk (from Turkey) and a Turkish Cypriot? Us, the GCs, don't see any difference whatsoever.
2. Do you think the concept "deep state" applies to Turkish Cypriots?
3. Is the "deep state" compatible with EU values?
4. Was or is the TMT in line or against with the "deep state" principals?
5. Do you like Turkey to call the shots in northern Cyprus or do you want to be completely self governed under the EU umbrella?

I know these are big questions to be answered in simple terms. Take your time and reply with realistic and informative manner rather than taking a "hardliner" stance which defeats the purpose of this conversation.

Thank you in advance.

Georgios100

Note.
To all CF members who would like to join this topic, please try to contribute in a civilized manner and avoid harsh or inflammatory comments.
Just this one time, let's talk. Fighting can resume in other threads .
Thank you.

Starting from the 1st point you made, i'd refrain from using the sentence "us the gc's" especially when making such claims as the one above.

Item 1. Except the birthplace location which differs the TCs from Turkey born Turks. That's what I meant. Not sure if this answers your statement.
Georgios100

not even close mate.

I don't get it. Can you expand in detail?
Georgios100

[DT.]

Counter to your lenient testimony about the TMT status in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots still see TMT as a threat to peace. Many are convinced that TMT was behind the "Solomos incident". What is your take of the Solomos incident? Who was behind this? Was this killing "the right thing to do"? What is the general feeling amongst the TC community? Is this kind of behaviour tolerated in your society?

I really don't see how the TMT is a threat to peace or anything else these days...Volkan newspaper is reflecting the voice of the old TMT for sure,Denktash is one of their columnists,but I would be very surprised if they have much sway these days...TMT could not have been behind the Solomos killing,simply because nobody knew he was planning to climb the flag pole...It was a waste of a life,and a shameful incident for the TC society as a whole,Georgio...I am sure they know who the killer was,but like most of our 'Killers" this one too will get away with murder,I am afraid..Which is a pity,because unless we deal with these issues openly and honestly,we cannot truly expect to have mutual trust and understanding...We need a truth and reconciliation commission badly in Cyprus,I believe...The sooner the better...

There are probably a minority of fanatical nationalists who would say "any hand that is raised to tear down our flag should be cut off" or some such nonsense,but I am sure the majority of the people would be appauled at such a pointless and tragic loss of a life...

Thanks for your response Bir,

I was reading a bit about the "deep state" in Turkey. I understand this has to do with being a Turk as a nationalist, loyal to tradition, existence etc.

I have a few of questions for you, best to be answered first hand, by a Turk or I should say a Turkish Cypriot. Not clear to me which one applies to you.

1. What is the difference, if any, between a Turk (from Turkey) and a Turkish Cypriot? Us, the GCs, don't see any difference whatsoever.
2. Do you think the concept "deep state" applies to Turkish Cypriots?
3. Is the "deep state" compatible with EU values?
4. Was or is the TMT in line or against with the "deep state" principals?
5. Do you like Turkey to call the shots in northern Cyprus or do you want to be completely self governed under the EU umbrella?

I know these are big questions to be answered in simple terms. Take your time and reply with realistic and informative manner rather than taking a "hardliner" stance which defeats the purpose of this conversation.

Thank you in advance.

Georgios100

Note.
To all CF members who would like to join this topic, please try to contribute in a civilized manner and avoid harsh or inflammatory comments.
Just this one time, let's talk. Fighting can resume in other threads .
Thank you.

Starting from the 1st point you made, i'd refrain from using the sentence "us the gc's" especially when making such claims as the one above.

Item 1. Except the birthplace location which differs the TCs from Turkey born Turks. That's what I meant. Not sure if this answers your statement.
Georgios100

not even close mate.

I don't get it. Can you expand in detail?
Georgios100

I know quite a few Turks and quite a few TC's and there's as much similarity as there is between us and the Greeks.

Have you ever met a Turk or a TC? Do you think they're the same? Who told you all GC's consider Turks and TC's the same thing?

[YFred]

Counter to your lenient testimony about the TMT status in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots still see TMT as a threat to peace. Many are convinced that TMT was behind the "Solomos incident". What is your take of the Solomos incident? Who was behind this? Was this killing "the right thing to do"? What is the general feeling amongst the TC community? Is this kind of behaviour tolerated in your society?

I really don't see how the TMT is a threat to peace or anything else these days...Volkan newspaper is reflecting the voice of the old TMT for sure,Denktash is one of their columnists,but I would be very surprised if they have much sway these days...TMT could not have been behind the Solomos killing,simply because nobody knew he was planning to climb the flag pole...It was a waste of a life,and a shameful incident for the TC society as a whole,Georgio...I am sure they know who the killer was,but like most of our 'Killers" this one too will get away with murder,I am afraid..Which is a pity,because unless we deal with these issues openly and honestly,we cannot truly expect to have mutual trust and understanding...We need a truth and reconciliation commission badly in Cyprus,I believe...The sooner the better...

There are probably a minority of fanatical nationalists who would say "any hand that is raised to tear down our flag should be cut off" or some such nonsense,but I am sure the majority of the people would be appauled at such a pointless and tragic loss of a life...

Thanks for your response Bir,

I was reading a bit about the "deep state" in Turkey. I understand this has to do with being a Turk as a nationalist, loyal to tradition, existence etc.

I have a few of questions for you, best to be answered first hand, by a Turk or I should say a Turkish Cypriot. Not clear to me which one applies to you.

1. What is the difference, if any, between a Turk (from Turkey) and a Turkish Cypriot? Us, the GCs, don't see any difference whatsoever.
2. Do you think the concept "deep state" applies to Turkish Cypriots?
3. Is the "deep state" compatible with EU values?
4. Was or is the TMT in line or against with the "deep state" principals?
5. Do you like Turkey to call the shots in northern Cyprus or do you want to be completely self governed under the EU umbrella?

I know these are big questions to be answered in simple terms. Take your time and reply with realistic and informative manner rather than taking a "hardliner" stance which defeats the purpose of this conversation.

Thank you in advance.

Georgios100

Note.
To all CF members who would like to join this topic, please try to contribute in a civilized manner and avoid harsh or inflammatory comments.
Just this one time, let's talk. Fighting can resume in other threads .
Thank you.

Starting from the 1st point you made, i'd refrain from using the sentence "us the gc's" especially when making such claims as the one above.

Item 1. Except the birthplace location which differs the TCs from Turkey born Turks. That's what I meant. Not sure if this answers your statement.
Georgios100

not even close mate.

I don't get it. Can you expand in detail?
Georgios100

I know quite a few Turks and quite a few TC's and there's as much similarity as there is between us and the Greeks.

Have you ever met a Turk or a TC? Do you think they're the same? Who told you all GC's consider Turks and TC's the same thing?

What's the percentage then old chap, what?

[DT.]

Counter to your lenient testimony about the TMT status in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots still see TMT as a threat to peace. Many are convinced that TMT was behind the "Solomos incident". What is your take of the Solomos incident? Who was behind this? Was this killing "the right thing to do"? What is the general feeling amongst the TC community? Is this kind of behaviour tolerated in your society?

I really don't see how the TMT is a threat to peace or anything else these days...Volkan newspaper is reflecting the voice of the old TMT for sure,Denktash is one of their columnists,but I would be very surprised if they have much sway these days...TMT could not have been behind the Solomos killing,simply because nobody knew he was planning to climb the flag pole...It was a waste of a life,and a shameful incident for the TC society as a whole,Georgio...I am sure they know who the killer was,but like most of our 'Killers" this one too will get away with murder,I am afraid..Which is a pity,because unless we deal with these issues openly and honestly,we cannot truly expect to have mutual trust and understanding...We need a truth and reconciliation commission badly in Cyprus,I believe...The sooner the better...

There are probably a minority of fanatical nationalists who would say "any hand that is raised to tear down our flag should be cut off" or some such nonsense,but I am sure the majority of the people would be appauled at such a pointless and tragic loss of a life...

Thanks for your response Bir,

I was reading a bit about the "deep state" in Turkey. I understand this has to do with being a Turk as a nationalist, loyal to tradition, existence etc.

I have a few of questions for you, best to be answered first hand, by a Turk or I should say a Turkish Cypriot. Not clear to me which one applies to you.

1. What is the difference, if any, between a Turk (from Turkey) and a Turkish Cypriot? Us, the GCs, don't see any difference whatsoever.
2. Do you think the concept "deep state" applies to Turkish Cypriots?
3. Is the "deep state" compatible with EU values?
4. Was or is the TMT in line or against with the "deep state" principals?
5. Do you like Turkey to call the shots in northern Cyprus or do you want to be completely self governed under the EU umbrella?

I know these are big questions to be answered in simple terms. Take your time and reply with realistic and informative manner rather than taking a "hardliner" stance which defeats the purpose of this conversation.

Thank you in advance.

Georgios100

Note.
To all CF members who would like to join this topic, please try to contribute in a civilized manner and avoid harsh or inflammatory comments.
Just this one time, let's talk. Fighting can resume in other threads .
Thank you.

Starting from the 1st point you made, i'd refrain from using the sentence "us the gc's" especially when making such claims as the one above.

Item 1. Except the birthplace location which differs the TCs from Turkey born Turks. That's what I meant. Not sure if this answers your statement.
Georgios100

not even close mate.

I don't get it. Can you expand in detail?
Georgios100

I know quite a few Turks and quite a few TC's and there's as much similarity as there is between us and the Greeks.

Have you ever met a Turk or a TC? Do you think they're the same? Who told you all GC's consider Turks and TC's the same thing?

What's the percentage then old chap, what?

Keep out of this yfred, this is about TC's, not linobambakous.