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[miltiades]

EOKA's PRIME aim was independence from Britain.

They knew they were up against resistance from Turkey and so, later, gravitated towards Enosis for security from the second enemy to freedom, the TMT.

If the Turks were not buzzing around to invade Cyprus, none of this would EVER have been a problem.

Wrong wrong wrong. ENOSIS was the SYNTHEMA never ANEXARTISIA .
Lets face realities , I lived through the EOKA era and participated. The oath taken did not include the word Enosis as GR pointed out , but ENOSIS WAS THE FOCUS OF THE STRUGGLE .
PRECISELY WHY TODAY WE HAVE A DIVIDED ISLAND !

MILTIADES wrote " but ENOSIS WAS THE FOCUS OF THE STRUGGLE" for once he is telling the truth !

Byron sarcasm does not suit you.Facts are the : ELEFTHERIA I THANATOS , meant ENOSIS , everyone knew this , not an independent Cyprus but one united with the "motherland " , that was the ultimate goal of EOKA, remember it was mine too , and I took part !!
I have said before that I saw nothing wrong with the overwhelming majority of Cypriot people aspiring for ENOSIS , we knew nothing else , we were never indoctrinated in believing in a free Cyprus as the home of all Cypriots , we were taught incessantly that we were a part of Greece , Greeks just like them , well we have now found our true identity and you know which it is.

[miltiades]

There are some realities that have to be faced.
The G/Cs , all without exemption , see Turkey as an occupying power following the invasion of 1974 .
Agreeing to Turkey's demands that she "retains" guarantor rights over the entire island - rights that she relinquished by default following the invasion of 1974 - is anathema to the G/Cs and such demand will never be accepted , Turkey is fully aware of this .
On the other hand , rightly so , the T/Cs need to have security guarantees , lets not kid ourselves , we have amongst us extremists , individuals who consider the T/Cs unwelcome in Cyprus and would perhaps pose a security threat after all most if not all of our problems developed as a result of extreme actions .
Is our government secure enough and confident enough that any threat to peace will not be from above but from isolated pockets of extremists , if there is the slightest doubt then perhaps we ought to begin a search for suitably acceptable guarantors , telling the T/Cs that their security is guaranteed by the EU is not enough I'm afraid to admit , not yet anyway . Some sort of alternative to Turkey and Greece , Britain too , could be found , a power that will be given strategic bases in Cyprus and a power that will guarantee the security of all Cypriots , the sovereignty of Cyprus and its territorial integrity. A power that no regional power will dare challenge .I will give you a clue !!

[Abdul, The Bulbul Amir]

The brave EOKA- murdering bastards that shot women and children in the back.

But fair play you fought for your land and got it now the Turks fought for theirs and they got it.
Why all the whinging?

[miltiades]

The brave EOKA- murdering bastards that shot women and children in the back.

But fair play you fought for your land and got it now the Turks fought for theirs and they got it.
Why all the whinging?

Exactly when did EOKA shoot women and children ?

[Bananiot]

Miltiades, I wish I could second you on this. In Milia village (Famagusta district) they did just that, killed a Greek Cypriot girl. In Famagusta, in 1958 they shot down two 18 year old English girls. In my village, they murdered two persons, Takis and Shellis, one left 5 kids and the other six kids. These are my memories of EOKA. They killed more GC's than Brits. More civilians than soldiers.

[aussieturk]

You’re talking manufactured rubbish! From the Library of Congress…

Table 7. Turkish Cypriot Population

Year - Population

1921 - 61,339
1931 - 64,245
1946 - 80,548
1960 - 104,333

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cyprus/cy_appen.html

The TC population was steadily increasing so it’s back to uneducated grandpa for some more horror stories to justify their crimes!

You missed the drop of 1963 = 120,000, 1972 = 78,000 wonder what happened there.

Hmm, let's have another look at the sweeping statements...

Utter rubbish. Why do you think there was mass migration by the TC's from Cyprus in the 50's, because the TC's were treated like dirt by the GC's. For gods sake, I thought the GC's were the majority of the population, running the majoruty of businesses and reluctant to employ TC's and creating unemployment and poverty, thats why they left.

Still looks like a "50" to me...

Of course, if the little bunny on heat wants to jump to 1963 now because he’s looking to save face… give it your best shot!

No, I am showing you that your figures are flawed - dick

[Get Real!]

You’re talking manufactured rubbish! From the Library of Congress…

Table 7. Turkish Cypriot Population

Year - Population

1921 - 61,339
1931 - 64,245
1946 - 80,548
1960 - 104,333

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cyprus/cy_appen.html

The TC population was steadily increasing so it’s back to uneducated grandpa for some more horror stories to justify their crimes!

You missed the drop of 1963 = 120,000, 1972 = 78,000 wonder what happened there.

Hmm, let's have another look at the sweeping statements...

Utter rubbish. Why do you think there was mass migration by the TC's from Cyprus in the 50's, because the TC's were treated like dirt by the GC's. For gods sake, I thought the GC's were the majority of the population, running the majoruty of businesses and reluctant to employ TC's and creating unemployment and poverty, thats why they left.

Still looks like a "50" to me...

Of course, if the little bunny on heat wants to jump to 1963 now because he’s looking to save face… give it your best shot!

No, I am showing you that your figures are flawed - dick

And how exactly are you “showing” us? Via ESP perhaps?

Go back to sleep…

[Paphitis]

Miltiades wrote:

Some sort of alternative to Turkey and Greece , Britain too , could be found , a power that will be given strategic bases in Cyprus and a power that will guarantee the security of all Cypriots , the sovereignty of Cyprus and its territorial integrity. A power that no regional power will dare challenge .I will give you a clue !!

That would have to be Australia mate. There really is no other alternative!



It's the only solvent country left, along with Cyprus that is...

[georgios100]

Georgio,
Sorry for the delayed reply...My computer was out of action for a few days...Listen,mate...For all intends and purposes TMT does not officially exist...It never did,you realise...So one cannot abolish something that doesnt exist...As I said earlier,I believe TMT, like the EOKA, only exists in some people's minds and hearts...In practice it is no more than a think-tank these days,trying to influence the political situation,but not having much sway...Especially now with the Ergenekon trials in Turkey,they would be very stupid to try to become active in any way other than legal...

The key to the solution is in the hands of Turkey and the RoC...If the RoC and the Greek Cypriots agree to maintain Turkey's guarantor status,and if they agree to an interim situation where the political majority power would be in the hands of the TCs (indigenous and new!) in one of the constituent states,we can have a solution tomorrow...Otherwise the status quo will remain till Turkey decides to annex the trnc as the final solution...
I honestly cannot see any other way out... peacefully...

Hi Bir,

Situation confusing...

See page 11 of this thread http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=90

YFred reports the following:

You are very welcome to walk into their offices in Lefkosa, it has a huge sign on it (VOLKAN), can't miss it. You are welcome to ask them as many questions as you like. They will give you honest answers. In the mean time we shall concentrate on removing this loving suffocation implemented by our GC cousins so that perhaps one day we may breath again, or was that breed again. One of them anyway.

You say TMT does not officially exist... please clarify.[/i]

Georgios100

Georgio,
YFred was being a bit flippant with you...I will spell it out,not for your sake,but for the sake of few others here who are trying to be smart...
TMT was an underground organisation,like EOKA,they never had an office... They did what they did behind closed doors,minds,hearts,just like the EOKA,and moved on like ghosts...There is no tangible,stationary target,so how are you going to shut them down?

I have given you my honest opinion...Though the spirit of TMT lives on in some old timers and some young grey wolves,what is left is only that...a spirit...VOLKAN was the political and intellectual father of the TMT...They disappeared after the TMT came onto the scene,and I am surprised to hear that they still have an office in the trnc...I know there is a newspaper called Volkan which is run by some extreme Turkish nationalists,but hey we have freedom of speech these days ,and they are entitled to their opinions...Their influence would be very limited,and they are looked upon more as dinosaurs from the bad old days than serious contenders...Politically in Turkey the atmosphere is very much against the "deep state",and hence it would be pretty much the same in Cyprus...There might be some hidden weapons somewhere,but they will never see the light of day...So stop obsessing about the TMT,they are as relevant today as the EOKA...If you want to follow their demise read up on the Ergenekon trials in Turkey...Its the end of the road for the state withing the state,and not before time...

Hi Bir,

Sorry for the delayed response. I am watching hours and hours of winter Olympics on the TV...

The newspaper you mentioned is found here:
VOLKAN BASIN YAYIN LTD. 17 C Memduh Asaf Sok. Köşklüçiftlik Lefkoşa - KKTC. http://www.volkangazetesi.net/

Unfortunately, I can't read a word of Turkish. This daily published newspaper may report news, sell adds etc, but may also have opinions related to politics in the north. Not sure if the TCs are influenced by the paper's political editor. As you know, all newspapers in Cyprus (north & south) are politically motivated, taking sides...

Personally, I am against this kind of behaviour from the press. The media should stick to reporting the news and let politicians practice politics. In essence, I believe newspapers are not part of the solution but part of the problem, publishing inflammatory content which promotes further division between the two communities.

Counter to your lenient testimony about the TMT status in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots still see TMT as a threat to peace. Many are convinced that TMT was behind the "Solomos incident". What is your take of the Solomos incident? Who was behind this? Was this killing "the right thing to do"? What is the general feeling amongst the TC community? Is this kind of behaviour tolerated in your society?

Georgios100

[aussieturk]

Year - Population

1921 - 61,339
1931 - 64,245
1946 - 80,548
1960 - 104,333[/i]

-You missed the drop of 1963 = 120,000, 1972 = 78,000 wonder what happened there.

Where are your figures from 1946 to 1960? I have shown you 1963 to 1972.