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[B25]

Georgio,
Sorry for the delayed reply...My computer was out of action for a few days...Listen,mate...For all intends and purposes TMT does not officially exist...It never did,you realise...So one cannot abolish something that doesnt exist...As I said earlier,I believe TMT, like the EOKA, only exists in some people's minds and hearts...In practice it is no more than a think-tank these days,trying to influence the political situation,but not having much sway...Especially now with the Ergenekon trials in Turkey,they would be very stupid to try to become active in any way other than legal...

The key to the solution is in the hands of Turkey and the RoC...If the RoC and the Greek Cypriots agree to maintain Turkey's guarantor status,and if they agree to an interim situation where the political majority power would be in the hands of the TCs (indigenous and new!) in one of the constituent states,we can have a solution tomorrow...Otherwise the status quo will remain till Turkey decides to annex the trnc as the final solution...
I honestly cannot see any other way out... peacefully...

Yeah, you would love that wouldn't you, a total capitulation of the GCs to the invading Turks, suits you just fine, well you know what you can do with that solution. In fact its not even a solution, it is a down right giveaway.

Shame on you for even thinking we could accept such a bollocks idea.

How about this, then turks bugger off and the TCs are afforded minority rights like everywhere else on the planet and then we have a solution.

No? Why not??

Cheeky git.

No good trying to play the weaklings on this board Bir, it won't work, for they are very few and far between, wankers all of them.

[Get Real!]

If the RoC and the Greek Cypriots agree to maintain Turkey's guarantor status,and if they agree to an interim situation where the political majority power would be in the hands of the TCs (indigenous and new!) in one of the constituent states,we can have a solution tomorrow...

Next idiot please...

[georgios100]

Georgio,
Sorry for the delayed reply...My computer was out of action for a few days...Listen,mate...For all intends and purposes TMT does not officially exist...It never did,you realise...So one cannot abolish something that doesnt exist...As I said earlier,I believe TMT, like the EOKA, only exists in some people's minds and hearts...In practice it is no more than a think-tank these days,trying to influence the political situation,but not having much sway...Especially now with the Ergenekon trials in Turkey,they would be very stupid to try to become active in any way other than legal...

The key to the solution is in the hands of Turkey and the RoC...If the RoC and the Greek Cypriots agree to maintain Turkey's guarantor status,and if they agree to an interim situation where the political majority power would be in the hands of the TCs (indigenous and new!) in one of the constituent states,we can have a solution tomorrow...Otherwise the status quo will remain till Turkey decides to annex the trnc as the final solution...
I honestly cannot see any other way out... peacefully...

Hi Bir,

Situation confusing...

See page 11 of this thread http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=90

YFred reports the following:

You are very welcome to walk into their offices in Lefkosa, it has a huge sign on it (VOLKAN), can't miss it. You are welcome to ask them as many questions as you like. They will give you honest answers. In the mean time we shall concentrate on removing this loving suffocation implemented by our GC cousins so that perhaps one day we may breath again, or was that breed again. One of them anyway.

You say TMT does not officially exist... please clarify.[/i]

Georgios100

[DT.]

An early TMT pamphlet
The last few lines say a lot.

I also like the way they reminded the Greeks what used to happen to their "Balkan Girls"

It seems that the TC's then didn't want to let the GC's forget the Ottoman times either.

[DT.]

the first EOKA pamphlet

[Byron]

EOKA's PRIME aim was independence from Britain.

They knew they were up against resistance from Turkey and so, later, gravitated towards Enosis for security from the second enemy to freedom, the TMT.

If the Turks were not buzzing around to invade Cyprus, none of this would EVER have been a problem.

Wrong wrong wrong. ENOSIS was the SYNTHEMA never ANEXARTISIA .
Lets face realities , I lived through the EOKA era and participated. The oath taken did not include the word Enosis as GR pointed out , but ENOSIS WAS THE FOCUS OF THE STRUGGLE .
PRECISELY WHY TODAY WE HAVE A DIVIDED ISLAND !

MILTIADES wrote " but ENOSIS WAS THE FOCUS OF THE STRUGGLE" for once he is telling the truth !

[BirKibrisli]

Georgio,
Sorry for the delayed reply...My computer was out of action for a few days...Listen,mate...For all intends and purposes TMT does not officially exist...It never did,you realise...So one cannot abolish something that doesnt exist...As I said earlier,I believe TMT, like the EOKA, only exists in some people's minds and hearts...In practice it is no more than a think-tank these days,trying to influence the political situation,but not having much sway...Especially now with the Ergenekon trials in Turkey,they would be very stupid to try to become active in any way other than legal...

The key to the solution is in the hands of Turkey and the RoC...If the RoC and the Greek Cypriots agree to maintain Turkey's guarantor status,and if they agree to an interim situation where the political majority power would be in the hands of the TCs (indigenous and new!) in one of the constituent states,we can have a solution tomorrow...Otherwise the status quo will remain till Turkey decides to annex the trnc as the final solution...
I honestly cannot see any other way out... peacefully...

Yeah, you would love that wouldn't you, a total capitulation of the GCs to the invading Turks, suits you just fine, well you know what you can do with that solution. In fact its not even a solution, it is a down right giveaway.

Shame on you for even thinking we could accept such a bollocks idea.

How about this, then turks bugger off and the TCs are afforded minority rights like everywhere else on the planet and then we have a solution.

No? Why not??

Cheeky git.

No good trying to play the weaklings on this board Bir, it won't work, for they are very few and far between, wankers all of them.

B25...Can you suspend your paranoia for a minute and listen...
It is not what I want...I am telling you what Turkey and TCs will and will not accept...The red bits above are their top 2 priorities and they will not budge...If you think you can get them to budge,go for your life...I hope you live to be 1000!

[BirKibrisli]

If the RoC and the Greek Cypriots agree to maintain Turkey's guarantor status,and if they agree to an interim situation where the political majority power would be in the hands of the TCs (indigenous and new!) in one of the constituent states,we can have a solution tomorrow...

Next idiot please...

Up yours too,Tiberius (with a keyboard!)...

[BirKibrisli]

Georgio,
Sorry for the delayed reply...My computer was out of action for a few days...Listen,mate...For all intends and purposes TMT does not officially exist...It never did,you realise...So one cannot abolish something that doesnt exist...As I said earlier,I believe TMT, like the EOKA, only exists in some people's minds and hearts...In practice it is no more than a think-tank these days,trying to influence the political situation,but not having much sway...Especially now with the Ergenekon trials in Turkey,they would be very stupid to try to become active in any way other than legal...

The key to the solution is in the hands of Turkey and the RoC...If the RoC and the Greek Cypriots agree to maintain Turkey's guarantor status,and if they agree to an interim situation where the political majority power would be in the hands of the TCs (indigenous and new!) in one of the constituent states,we can have a solution tomorrow...Otherwise the status quo will remain till Turkey decides to annex the trnc as the final solution...
I honestly cannot see any other way out... peacefully...

Hi Bir,

Situation confusing...

See page 11 of this thread http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=90

YFred reports the following:

You are very welcome to walk into their offices in Lefkosa, it has a huge sign on it (VOLKAN), can't miss it. You are welcome to ask them as many questions as you like. They will give you honest answers. In the mean time we shall concentrate on removing this loving suffocation implemented by our GC cousins so that perhaps one day we may breath again, or was that breed again. One of them anyway.

You say TMT does not officially exist... please clarify.[/i]

Georgios100

Georgio,
YFred was being a bit flippant with you...I will spell it out,not for your sake,but for the sake of few others here who are trying to be smart...
TMT was an underground organisation,like EOKA,they never had an office... They did what they did behind closed doors,minds,hearts,just like the EOKA,and moved on like ghosts...There is no tangible,stationary target,so how are you going to shut them down?

I have given you my honest opinion...Though the spirit of TMT lives on in some old timers and some young grey wolves,what is left is only that...a spirit...VOLKAN was the political and intellectual father of the TMT...They disappeared after the TMT came onto the scene,and I am surprised to hear that they still have an office in the trnc...I know there is a newspaper called Volkan which is run by some extreme Turkish nationalists,but hey we have freedom of speech these days ,and they are entitled to their opinions...Their influence would be very limited,and they are looked upon more as dinosaurs from the bad old days than serious contenders...Politically in Turkey the atmosphere is very much against the "deep state",and hence it would be pretty much the same in Cyprus...There might be some hidden weapons somewhere,but they will never see the light of day...So stop obsessing about the TMT,they are as relevant today as the EOKA...If you want to follow their demise read up on the Ergenekon trials in Turkey...Its the end of the road for the state withing the state,and not before time...

[BirKibrisli]

EOKA's PRIME aim was independence from Britain.

They knew they were up against resistance from Turkey and so, later, gravitated towards Enosis for security from the second enemy to freedom, the TMT.

If the Turks were not buzzing around to invade Cyprus, none of this would EVER have been a problem.

Wrong wrong wrong. ENOSIS was the SYNTHEMA never ANEXARTISIA .
Lets face realities , I lived through the EOKA era and participated. The oath taken did not include the word Enosis as GR pointed out , but ENOSIS WAS THE FOCUS OF THE STRUGGLE .
PRECISELY WHY TODAY WE HAVE A DIVIDED ISLAND !

MILTIADES wrote " but ENOSIS WAS THE FOCUS OF THE STRUGGLE" for once he is telling the truth !

What do you mean "for once"...??? Cheeky fellow...
Miltiades is an honorable Cypriot who never tells lies...If you don't like his opinions,that is your prerogative,but do not confuse that with lying...