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[erolz3]

Is this gonna take long Erol & Miltiades???

I do not know GR.

How long will it take you to explain to me how the man who set up and ran EOKA did not know what its goal was ?

In terms of the number of ordianry GC that supported enosis, care to mention the Plebistites run by the Church in Cyprus and the last one by Makarios ?

We also wont mention any resolutions pass unanimously by an all GC run elected house re enosis in the 70's I guess.

To characterise the objective of EOKA as being anything other than ENOSIS, for those who created it, endorsed it like Makarios and those in it , the few 200-300 indivduals, or for the wider GC community that largely supported it is just the most blatant and gross revisionist history as far as I am concerend.

As to how much time you will spend trying to convice me or anyone else that what is plainy true and evident, namely that EOKA's objective was Enosis, was not true - only you can answer that GC but I suspect it could go on indefinately, or at least until I tire one more of the pointlessness of such 'discussions'.

[YFred]

You are using this report as evidence that because at the outbreak of violence TC were disproportionatley represented in the Police, that was evidence of them NOT being 2nd class citizens ? Even thought the same report clearly says

No, Oracle clearly said…

“the Brits generally treated the TCs better than the GCs”

…and that’s exactly what this report proves because the British were FAVORABLE in their selection of Police posts. That is FAVORITISM!

Today, it looks like a pittance of a wage/salary but it was still a government job that others DID NOT HAVE.

Did you ever consider that they were appointed on merit?
After all certain amount of trust is need for the job. Considering the TCs have no trust in the roc police to this day, why on this god forsaken earth would the Brits trust them?

[Get Real!]

Is this gonna take long Erol & Miltiades???

I do not know GR.

How long will it take you to explain to me how the man who set up and ran EOKA did not know what its goal was ?

In terms of the number of ordianry GC that supported enosis, care to mention the Plebistites run by the Church in Cyprus and the last one by Makarios ?

We also wont mention any resolutions pass unanimously by an all GC run elected house re enosis in the 70's I guess.

To characterise the objective of EOKA as being anything other than ENOSIS, for those who created it, endorsed it like Makarios and those in it , the few 200-300 indivduals, or for the wider GC community that largely supported it is just the most blatant and gross revisionist history as far as I am concerend.

As to how much time you will spend trying to convice me or anyone else that what is plainy true and evident, namely that EOKA's objective was Enosis, was not true - only you can answer that GC but I suspect it could go on indefinately, or at least until I tire one more of the pointlessness of such 'discussions'.

Firstly, I do not think that any of this is so important anymore but I don’t appreciate it when someone makes a sweeping statement like… “They fought for enosis” etc, when in actual fact the oath of allegiance to the cause makes no mention of enosis whatsoever so it IS a MANUFACTURED extension of that oath!

Now, if some elements ALSO HAD underlying goals then that’s a DIFFERENT issue altogether but it’s not fair to condemn every single Cypriot out there who joined EOKA because of the British into a combined aspiration for Greece!

[erolz3]

…and that’s exactly what this report proves because the British were FAVORABLE in their selection of Police posts. That is FAVORITISM!

Today, it looks like a pittance of a wage/salary but it was still a government job that others DID NOT HAVE.

Are you seriously going to argue that getting this job was 'favourtism' when you OWN source clearly says

Police in Cyprus always had been poorly
paid, and postwar inflation made things especially bad. In the mid-
1950s, unskilled laborers could earn £25-30 per month, more than the
starting salary for a police constable, £21 per month.

It is not a case of looking like a pittance TODAY - your report clearly explains how it was a pittance THEN. Which is why

It was hard
to attract recruits with even a minimum standard of education to a
service in which the police officers earned no more than government
livestock managers or bailiffs.

Clearly it was not a case that Cypriots from both communites were queing up for such jobs and the Brits handed them out favourably to TC. Clearly the reality is that these job were taken by those lowest on the social scale of Cypriots and THAT is why TC were disproporionately represented.

Come on GR !

[Get Real!]

Did you ever consider that they were appointed on merit?
After all certain amount of trust is need for the job. Considering the TCs have no trust in the roc police to this day, why on this god forsaken earth would the Brits trust them?

Had you read a bit further you would've found that finding Turkish Cypriot Police "on merit" proved frustratingly difficult for the British!

You should start READING instead of assuming! How many times have I gotta tell you that???

[YFred]

Did you ever consider that they were appointed on merit?
After all certain amount of trust is need for the job. Considering the TCs have no trust in the roc police to this day, why on this god forsaken earth would the Brits trust them?

Had you read a bit further you would've found that finding Turkish Cypriot Police "on merit" proved frustratingly difficult for the British!

You should start READING instead of assuming! How many times have I gotta tell you that???

I knew at least 5 and they did alright, no problems. Personal experience says they were ok. Up your cake hole where the sun never shines, sunshine.

[Get Real!]

…and that’s exactly what this report proves because the British were FAVORABLE in their selection of Police posts. That is FAVORITISM!

Today, it looks like a pittance of a wage/salary but it was still a government job that others DID NOT HAVE.

Are you seriously going to argue that getting this job was 'favourtism' when you OWN source clearly says

Police in Cyprus always had been poorly
paid, and postwar inflation made things especially bad. In the mid-
1950s, unskilled laborers could earn £25-30 per month, more than the
starting salary for a police constable, £21 per month.

It is not a case of looking like a pittance TODAY - your report clearly explains how it was a pittance THEN. Which is why

It was hard
to attract recruits with even a minimum standard of education to a
service in which the police officers earned no more than government
livestock managers or bailiffs.

Clearly it was not a case that Cypriots from both communites were queing up for such jobs and the Brits handed them out favourably to TC. Clearly the reality is that these job were taken by those lowest on the social scale of Cypriots and THAT is why TC were disproporionately represented.

Come on GR !

It looks like it was a "hot job" for the TCs...

Since Greeks were refusing to join the police, almost all
new recruitment into the regular police came from the Turkish
community. Still more men were needed, so a force of 400 Auxiliary
Police was raised quickly among the Turkish Cypriots. The already
low standards of the police force were lowered even further to
allow the recruitment of Turks, who generally had a much lower
education level than the Greeks, but were considered reliable and
loyal by the colonial government. Many of the Auxiliary Police were Turkish farmers or laborers who viewed police work as a means of
income during the slack part of the agricultural year. With virtually
no training, the Auxiliary Police were sent into action and generally
employed in guard and security duties.

Reliable and loyal!

[YFred]

…and that’s exactly what this report proves because the British were FAVORABLE in their selection of Police posts. That is FAVORITISM!

Today, it looks like a pittance of a wage/salary but it was still a government job that others DID NOT HAVE.

Are you seriously going to argue that getting this job was 'favourtism' when you OWN source clearly says

Police in Cyprus always had been poorly
paid, and postwar inflation made things especially bad. In the mid-
1950s, unskilled laborers could earn £25-30 per month, more than the
starting salary for a police constable, £21 per month.

It is not a case of looking like a pittance TODAY - your report clearly explains how it was a pittance THEN. Which is why

It was hard
to attract recruits with even a minimum standard of education to a
service in which the police officers earned no more than government
livestock managers or bailiffs.

Clearly it was not a case that Cypriots from both communites were queing up for such jobs and the Brits handed them out favourably to TC. Clearly the reality is that these job were taken by those lowest on the social scale of Cypriots and THAT is why TC were disproporionately represented.

Come on GR !

It looks like it was a "hot job" for the TCs...

Since Greeks were refusing to join the police, almost all
new recruitment into the regular police came from the Turkish
community. Still more men were needed, so a force of 400 Auxiliary
Police was raised quickly among the Turkish Cypriots. The already
low standards of the police force were lowered even further to
allow the recruitment of Turks, who generally had a much lower
education level than the Greeks, but were considered reliable and
loyal by the colonial government. Many of the Auxiliary Police were Turkish farmers or laborers who viewed police work as a means of
income during the slack part of the agricultural year. With virtually
no training, the Auxiliary Police were sent into action and generally
employed in guard and security duties.

Reliable and loyal!

Naturally, after all they were descending from a warrior tribe.

[Get Real!]

Reliable and loyal!

Naturally, after all they were descending from a warrior tribe.

They remind me of Shrek! Reliable and loyal but as daft as a brush!

[erolz3]

Firstly, I do not think that any of this is so important anymore but I don’t appreciate it when someone makes a sweeping statement like… “They fought for enosis” etc, when in actual fact the oath of allegiance to the cause makes no mention of enosis whatsoever so it IS a MANUFACTURED extension of that oath!

but sweeping statements like

The Turkish Cypriots never fought but were freed thanks to the GCs.

are fine with you ?

Now, if some elements ALSO HAD underlying goals then that’s a DIFFERENT issue altogether but it’s not fair to condemn every single Cypriot out there who joined EOKA because of the British into a combined aspiration for Greece!

I love this 'some elements' The man who set it up and ran it is 'some lements' !

For the record I do not condem GC for aspiring to and wanting enosis. I lament the effects this aspiration had on Cyprus's futre and condem some of the means by which some sought to achieve the aspiration but I do not condem people for having it.

But let us not pretend GR that for GC in general and GC leadership specificaly that both pre and to a significant degree post Indepedance the sapiration was for Enosis. If we do that we have to ignore everything that Grivas said and struggeld for, Makarios said and struggled for long after Indpendance, the plebsites dubious as the obviously are and the votes by an ELCETED GC leadership as lat as the 70's expressing the continued desire and apsiration for Enosis.

To deny this real desire and attempts to achieve enosis OVER Indepedance by the GC community and especially its leaders both before and after Indpedance would be to massively distort reality. I am sure this is not you objective is it GR?