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Postby Get Real! » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:20 pm

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:So please explain to me why people marching in the street were shouting Eoka - Enosis.

I thought Kikapu explained... it was your dad's dick going knock-knock on your head.

The more you guys try to sell anything else the more you push Moderate TCs away.

If uneducated TMT clowns like you and Bir are the “moderates” I piss on you both all the way to Ankara!

You two headed revisionist.
Why were the grass roots shouting EOKA - Enosis in the streets?

It's all in your head...
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Postby DT. » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:22 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:So please explain to me why people marching in the street were shouting Eoka - Enosis.

I thought Kikapu explained... it was your dad's dick going knock-knock on your head.

The more you guys try to sell anything else the more you push Moderate TCs away.

If uneducated TMT clowns like you and Bir are the “moderates” I piss on you both all the way to Ankara!

You two headed revisionist.
Why were the grass roots shouting EOKA - Enosis in the streets?

It's all in your head...


Perhaps they were shouting at yfred "and your sis" :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:24 pm

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Get Real! wrote:You’re talking manufactured rubbish! From the Library of Congress…

Table 7. Turkish Cypriot Population

Year - Population

1921 - 61,339
1931 - 64,245
1946 - 80,548
1960 - 104,333


http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cyprus/cy_appen.html

The TC population was steadily increasing so it’s back to uneducated grandpa for some more horror stories to justify their crimes! :wink:


You missed the drop of 1963 = 120,000, 1972 = 78,000 wonder what happened there.

Hmm, let's have another look at the sweeping statements...

aussieturk wrote:Utter rubbish. Why do you think there was mass migration by the TC's from Cyprus in the 50's, because the TC's were treated like dirt by the GC's. For gods sake, I thought the GC's were the majority of the population, running the majoruty of businesses and reluctant to employ TC's and creating unemployment and poverty, thats why they left.


Still looks like a "50" to me... :? :lol:

Of course, if the little bunny on heat wants to jump to 1963 now because he’s looking to save face… give it your best shot! :wink:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:14 pm

YFred....why are you still bothering to reply to certified dickheads like GR!...
They only pick the parts of history which suit them,and bugger the rest...
They forget there was a referandum in 1950,Church organised and supported, which overwhelmingly voted for Enosis with Greece...5 years later in 1955 EOKA started their armed campaign to get rid of the British...and achieve what???? what did they want to replace the British with??? An independent Cyprus Republic??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

No they wanted to achieve Enosis with Greece...anyone who denies this is a big historical revisionist fool and does not deserve a response.... 8)
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Postby boomerang » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:33 pm

undoubtedly some minority elements with in EOKA had ulterior motives, majority were idealists, fighting for a free cyprus...

the oath is correct...my own mum was involved in the struggle...she was a 17 year old student...the year was 1956...she was an idealist...

bir i always find solace in this clip

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Postby erolz3 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:48 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:No they wanted to achieve Enosis with Greece...anyone who denies this is a big historical revisionist fool and does not deserve a response.... 8)


Pretty much why I stopped bothering to post in this thread. If people are going to simply distort historical reality to such a gross degree on an issue as clear as this one then whats the point ?

Not only do have to explain the 50's 'plecesite' they also need to explain the 1966 resolution passed unanimously by an all GC house of representatives reafirming the comitment to enosis in the name of 'the Greeks of Cyprus'.

In any case the exact detail of how many ordianary Cypriots did or did not support enosis misses the point anyway. The issue was to what degree did TC believe that enosis was the objective of the GC. With a leadership that publicaly and unanamiously supported enosis TC naturaly and quite obviosuly feared enosis was the goal of the GC community.

Clearer examples of attempts at revisionsit history to distort the realites of the Cyprus problem would be hard to find than lines like

Now the "leadership" may well have had their own dreams of enosis, but suspect you'll find enosis had as much support back in the '50s as it does today, which is from not much to bugger all.


It would be funny if it were not so sad. Grivas 'may' have supported enosis. Makarios 'may' have supported enosis. Might just as well say Denktash 'may' have supported partition. Or Boomers gem that follows

undoubtedly some minority elements with in EOKA had ulterior motives,


Like somehow the 'minority' element in EOKA - Grivas, who set it up and ran it, 'hid' his comittment to enosis and fooled those who joined his organsiation into thinking he wanted indpednace when really he secretly wanted enosis. THe whole notion is too absurd to continue discussing.

Undoubtedly there were those that supported eoka, honourable who was it as a struggle for ending colonialsim regardless of what replaced it was enosis or indepdance, just as there were those in TMT, honourable who saw it as an organisation comitted to the defense of TC and regardless of if CYprus remained indpendant or partition was achieved.

However it is just plain revisionist nonsense to say that there was not widspread support amongst GC for Enosis rather than independance and more relavent to make out that TC had no reason to fear that enosis was the goal of the GC leadership rather than independance.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:05 pm

Of course Cypriots wanted their freedom, and freedom for the case of Cyprus meant Cyprus being part of the free Greek Republic like all other Greek islands. I am still waiting for a reasonable answer to the question what was exactly the difference between Cyprus (the biggest Greek island) and Crete (the 2nd biggest), Rhodes (the 3rd biggest) or any other of the 100s of Greek islands.

http://www.anesi.com/rmap1.jpg

The Greek Republic as it exists today was not formed in a single day, but over a period of several decades as more and more Greek territories were liberated. The first Greek State was formed right after the revolution of 1821, and the last territory to be liberated with Rhodes and several other islands in 1947.

If it was left up to the Cypriots, Cyprus would be part of the very first Greek Republic, and there wouldn't be any need for any enosis (union) later on. The only reason that this didn't happen is that the foreign oppressors, the Turks, denied this right to the Cypriot people and continued to occupy our island.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.


We are not living in the era of city-states anymore. Territories unite together to form bigger, stronger countries that can be more able to defend themselves from foreign aggressors. And since the vast majority of the population of this island is Greek, it made perfect sense to be part of the Greek Republic, along all other Greek islands.

Of course we do not expect the Turks to admit that Cyprus is a Greek island. They have been trying to de-Hellenize our island since they first came here, by butchering Cypriots by the 10s of thousands, importing Turkish Settlers and discriminating against us, trying to force people to become Muslims and subsequently "Turks".

And the "independence" they are talking about now is not a true independence either, but just their way of isolating Cyprus so it will be easier for them to continue to exploit and control our island for their own benefit.

The Turks ruled Cyprus for 300+ years and allowing Cyprus to be independent never crossed their mind. They didn't even think of independence in the 50s, since they were busy promoting the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of their island so they could achieve partition. It was Makarios who first proposed independence as a compromise. But Makarios of course meant a true independence, as it exists in all other countries, that would allow the Cypriot people to democratically rule their own island, and not this joke of "independence" that they forced on us in 1960 with military bases, foreign troops, "guarantors" and the upgrading of their minority with gains on our expense.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:08 pm

erolz3 wrote:Not only do have to explain the 50's 'plecesite'...

Ask and you shall receive...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle08.htm


But here's something for YOU to explain...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle09.htm
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Postby boomerang » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:16 pm

no gem erol, you can't paint everyone with the brush..some were tricked in joining eoka...mum was one of those...an idealist that believed in the oath for a free cyprus...she was 17...

not everyone was a pro enosis...and this is something you can never understand...or don't wish to understand just so you can justify the end result...

the question to you erol...you think the agenda dripped all the way to the bottom feeders...

greece as a guarantor started 74 but sure as hell turkey did a lot more as a guarantor in 63...so as far as guarantors go you could say turkey initiated it in 63...via TMT tactics...so obviously people went looking for alternatives...

what was the TMT oath Erol?...

further more why is it that britain held a referandum in gibraltar and not in cyprus?...

The sovereignty of Gibraltar has been a major point of contention in Anglo-Spanish relations. Gibraltar was ceded by Spain to the Crown of Great Britain in perpetuity, under the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht, though Spain asserts a claim to the territory and seeks its return. The overwhelming majority of Gibraltarians strongly oppose this, along with any proposal of shared sovereignty. The British government has stated that it is committed to respecting the Gibraltarians' wishes.


the question to you erol, why didn't britain respect the wishes of the majority of cypriots?...
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:22 pm

Get Real! wrote:
erolz3 wrote:Not only do have to explain the 50's 'plecesite'...

Ask and you shall receive...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle08.htm


But here's something for YOU to explain...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle09.htm


It is simple GR!...Those TCs were most probably members or sympathisers of AKEL...Akel was supporting the Enosis push at the time arguing that communism would triumph in Greece and Cyprus would become part of the great Communist Utopia.... :roll:
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