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[Get Real!]

In this documentation there is no mention of enosis and yet in the late 50's the phrase eoka enosis was clearly heard all the way in Lurucina even though I wasn't born yet.

I'll let Kikapu answer your question as to why you were hearing things prior to being born...

[YFred]

In this documentation there is no mention of enosis and yet in the late 50's the phrase eoka enosis was clearly heard all the way in Lurucina even though I wasn't born yet.

I'll let Kikapu answer your question as to why you were hearing things prior to being born...

Now, where did I say I heard it, can you read english?
You a get stuffed, you eoka sympathizer. Can Kickapoo declare his allegiance. Does he have sympathies with Eoka?
Now that is interesting.

[Kikapu]

In this documentation there is no mention of enosis and yet in the late 50's the phrase eoka enosis was clearly heard all the way in Lurucina even though I wasn't born yet.

I'll let Kikapu answer your question as to why you were hearing things prior to being born...

What YFred was hearing was, was the pounding he was getting on his head for 9 months before being born. How else do you explain him being born with a "soft spot" on his skull.?

[Get Real!]

In this documentation there is no mention of enosis and yet in the late 50's the phrase eoka enosis was clearly heard all the way in Lurucina even though I wasn't born yet.

I'll let Kikapu answer your question as to why you were hearing things prior to being born...

What YFred was hearing was, was the pounding he was getting on his head for 9 months before being born. How else do you explain him being born with a "soft spot" on his skull.?

Well there you go Y-Fronts… I knew Kikapu could explain the inexplicable!

So it sounds like your dad’s dick acted as an inward ultrasound!

[Malapapa]

Well please explain to me which 'Ethnos' they meant, then and when we swear into the National Guard.
I really hope you don't think 'Ethnos' was referring to Cyprus in that...

You need to stick to the issue at hand and refrain from jumping around like a rabbit on heat!

What is OFFICIAL is that both the DECLARATION and the OATH taken to join EOKA, do not suggest or even imply union with Greece.

Now, if SOME people (extreme right) thought OTHERWISE and had additional ulterior motives, then that’s their problem isn’t it? But it has NOTHING to do with EOKA and what it was officially set up to do.

If I were a brave Cypriot youth back then - although I don't have much truck with the concept of a "Holy Trinity" - I wouldn't have had too much of a problem signing up to this:

Oath of The Youth Organisation of EOKA

I swear in the name of the Holy Trinity that:

* I shall work with all my power for the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke, sacrificing for this even my life.
* I shall perform without question all the instructions of the organisation which may be entrusted to me and I shall not bring any objection, however difficult and dangerous these may be.
* I shall not abandon the struggle unless I receive instructions from the leader of the organisation and after our aim has been accomplished.
* I shall never reveal to anyone any secret of our organisation neither the names of my chiefs nor those of the other members of the organization even if I am caught and tortured.
* I shall not reveal any of the instructions which may be given me even to my fellow combatants.

If I disobey my oath I shall be worthy of every punishment as a traitor and may eternal contempt cover me.

As translated by Lawrence Durrell in his book Bitter Lemons

Exactly! Good post.

Something is drastically wrong here. In this documentation there is no mention of enosis and yet in the late 50's the phrase eoka enosis was clearly heard all the way in Lurucina even though I wasn't born yet. Who exactly are you guys trying to fool here. Eoka were fascist terrorist murderers who were hell bent on enosis and killed many TCs and GCs in that casue. The more you hide from that the more TCs will not trust you not now and not in the future. Accept the wrongs of you stance of the past and perhaps we may begin a meaningful discussion. Pretend to be stupid and there will be discussion.

I wasn't around in the 1950s. I wouldn't have supported the concept of "enosis" then and certainly don't support it now.

But I would have been happy to sign up to the above oath. There is nothing wrong with this stance. Just because I may have supported EOKA's stated aims for the "liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke" that does not make me, nor many, many others sympathetic to EOKA's aims "fascist terrorist murderers".

Now do you get it?

[YFred]

In this documentation there is no mention of enosis and yet in the late 50's the phrase eoka enosis was clearly heard all the way in Lurucina even though I wasn't born yet.

I'll let Kikapu answer your question as to why you were hearing things prior to being born...

What YFred was hearing was, was the pounding he was getting on his head for 9 months before being born. How else do you explain him being born with a "soft spot" on his skull.?

Well there you go Y-Fronts… I knew Kikapu could explain the inexplicable!

So it sounds like your dad’s dick acted as an inward ultrasound!

We are still waiting kickapoo, your allegiance please. Do you sympathize with eoka. As to the pounding eoka and enosis, I can only conclude that you must have heard it from your father, how else would you have known it. You lowlife.

[YFred]

Well please explain to me which 'Ethnos' they meant, then and when we swear into the National Guard.
I really hope you don't think 'Ethnos' was referring to Cyprus in that...

You need to stick to the issue at hand and refrain from jumping around like a rabbit on heat!

What is OFFICIAL is that both the DECLARATION and the OATH taken to join EOKA, do not suggest or even imply union with Greece.

Now, if SOME people (extreme right) thought OTHERWISE and had additional ulterior motives, then that’s their problem isn’t it? But it has NOTHING to do with EOKA and what it was officially set up to do.

If I were a brave Cypriot youth back then - although I don't have much truck with the concept of a "Holy Trinity" - I wouldn't have had too much of a problem signing up to this:

Oath of The Youth Organisation of EOKA

I swear in the name of the Holy Trinity that:

* I shall work with all my power for the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke, sacrificing for this even my life.
* I shall perform without question all the instructions of the organisation which may be entrusted to me and I shall not bring any objection, however difficult and dangerous these may be.
* I shall not abandon the struggle unless I receive instructions from the leader of the organisation and after our aim has been accomplished.
* I shall never reveal to anyone any secret of our organisation neither the names of my chiefs nor those of the other members of the organization even if I am caught and tortured.
* I shall not reveal any of the instructions which may be given me even to my fellow combatants.

If I disobey my oath I shall be worthy of every punishment as a traitor and may eternal contempt cover me.

As translated by Lawrence Durrell in his book Bitter Lemons

Exactly! Good post.

Something is drastically wrong here. In this documentation there is no mention of enosis and yet in the late 50's the phrase eoka enosis was clearly heard all the way in Lurucina even though I wasn't born yet. Who exactly are you guys trying to fool here. Eoka were fascist terrorist murderers who were hell bent on enosis and killed many TCs and GCs in that casue. The more you hide from that the more TCs will not trust you not now and not in the future. Accept the wrongs of you stance of the past and perhaps we may begin a meaningful discussion. Pretend to be stupid and there will be discussion.

I wasn't born in the 1950s. I wouldn't have supported the concept of "enosis" then and certainly don't support it now.

But I would have been happy to sign up to the above oath. There is nothing wrong with this stance. Just because I may have supported EOKA's stated aims for the "liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke" that does not make me, nor many, many others who been sympathetic to EOKA, "fascist terrorist murderers".

Now do you get it?

M you still don't get it. That document may or may not be true. What is fact is the eoka members and sympathizers marching and shouting EOKA ENOSIS. Why? if it was not in their oath. Where did it change from the moment they signed to the moment they marched.
You are joking.
Do you know how many GCs eoka killed? find out.

[ozlala]

Well please explain to me which 'Ethnos' they meant, then and when we swear into the National Guard.
I really hope you don't think 'Ethnos' was referring to Cyprus in that...

You need to stick to the issue at hand and refrain from jumping around like a rabbit on heat!

What is OFFICIAL is that both the DECLARATION and the OATH taken to join EOKA, do not suggest or even imply union with Greece.

Now, if SOME people (extreme right) thought OTHERWISE and had additional ulterior motives, then that’s their problem isn’t it? But it has NOTHING to do with EOKA and what it was officially set up to do.

If I were a brave Cypriot youth back then - although I don't have much truck with the concept of a "Holy Trinity" - I wouldn't have had too much of a problem signing up to this:

Oath of The Youth Organisation of EOKA

I swear in the name of the Holy Trinity that:

* I shall work with all my power for the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke, sacrificing for this even my life.
* I shall perform without question all the instructions of the organisation which may be entrusted to me and I shall not bring any objection, however difficult and dangerous these may be.
* I shall not abandon the struggle unless I receive instructions from the leader of the organisation and after our aim has been accomplished.
* I shall never reveal to anyone any secret of our organisation neither the names of my chiefs nor those of the other members of the organization even if I am caught and tortured.
* I shall not reveal any of the instructions which may be given me even to my fellow combatants.

If I disobey my oath I shall be worthy of every punishment as a traitor and may eternal contempt cover me.

As translated by Lawrence Durrell in his book Bitter Lemons

Exactly! Good post.

Something is drastically wrong here. In this documentation there is no mention of enosis and yet in the late 50's the phrase eoka enosis was clearly heard all the way in Lurucina even though I wasn't born yet. Who exactly are you guys trying to fool here. Eoka were fascist terrorist murderers who were hell bent on enosis and killed many TCs and GCs in that casue. The more you hide from that the more TCs will not trust you not now and not in the future. Accept the wrongs of you stance of the past and perhaps we may begin a meaningful discussion. Pretend to be stupid and there will be discussion.

I am old enough Yfred and can confirm your statement. Why is it that the GCs do not admit that EOKA was from Greece that send Grivas in charge to get rid of the British. Then the Turks after that enosis with Greece. when they couldn'd do it they sent Samson in he started to kill all the GC that was not in agreement.
I am sure that there are a lot of GCs that at the time of the invasion thought was a good idea. They will not admitted now.

[YFred]

Well please explain to me which 'Ethnos' they meant, then and when we swear into the National Guard.
I really hope you don't think 'Ethnos' was referring to Cyprus in that...

You need to stick to the issue at hand and refrain from jumping around like a rabbit on heat!

What is OFFICIAL is that both the DECLARATION and the OATH taken to join EOKA, do not suggest or even imply union with Greece.

Now, if SOME people (extreme right) thought OTHERWISE and had additional ulterior motives, then that’s their problem isn’t it? But it has NOTHING to do with EOKA and what it was officially set up to do.

If I were a brave Cypriot youth back then - although I don't have much truck with the concept of a "Holy Trinity" - I wouldn't have had too much of a problem signing up to this:

Oath of The Youth Organisation of EOKA

I swear in the name of the Holy Trinity that:

* I shall work with all my power for the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke, sacrificing for this even my life.
* I shall perform without question all the instructions of the organisation which may be entrusted to me and I shall not bring any objection, however difficult and dangerous these may be.
* I shall not abandon the struggle unless I receive instructions from the leader of the organisation and after our aim has been accomplished.
* I shall never reveal to anyone any secret of our organisation neither the names of my chiefs nor those of the other members of the organization even if I am caught and tortured.
* I shall not reveal any of the instructions which may be given me even to my fellow combatants.

If I disobey my oath I shall be worthy of every punishment as a traitor and may eternal contempt cover me.

As translated by Lawrence Durrell in his book Bitter Lemons

Exactly! Good post.

Something is drastically wrong here. In this documentation there is no mention of enosis and yet in the late 50's the phrase eoka enosis was clearly heard all the way in Lurucina even though I wasn't born yet. Who exactly are you guys trying to fool here. Eoka were fascist terrorist murderers who were hell bent on enosis and killed many TCs and GCs in that casue. The more you hide from that the more TCs will not trust you not now and not in the future. Accept the wrongs of you stance of the past and perhaps we may begin a meaningful discussion. Pretend to be stupid and there will be discussion.

I am old enough Yfred and can confirm your statement. Why is it that the GCs do not admit that EOKA was from Greece that send Grivas in charge to get rid of the British. Then the Turks after that enosis with Greece. when they couldn'd do it they sent Samson in he started to kill all the GC that was not in agreement.
I am sure that there are a lot of GCs that at the time of the invasion thought was a good idea. They will not admitted now.

The first step to solution of a problem is the acceptance of the existence of it. Unfortunately our GC cousins and the token TC are not a yet at that stage. Notice how our TC friend "Kickapoo" has not confirmed whether he supports the eoka stand or not. But I am a patient man and will persevere till he gives an answer.

[Malapapa]

M you still don't get it. That document may or may not be true.

No. It is true. There was no mention of "enosis" in the oath. It talks only about "την απελευθέρωσιν της Κύπρου από τον Αγγλικόν ζυγόν" - "the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke". Here's another link to the oath, in the original Greek.

http://www.asxetos.gr/article.aspx?i=750

What is fact is the eoka members and sympathizers marching and shouting EOKA ENOSIS. Why? if it was not in their oath.

It was not in the oath. Many, perhaps most EOKA members/sympathisers wanted "enosis" at the time but it was not in the oath.

Where did it change from the moment they signed to the moment they marched.
You are joking.

Many were swept away by the fascist leanings of the EOKA leader. This isn't in question.

This from Wiki....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EOKA

Ideology
EOKA was a right wing nationalistic organisation with the ultimate goal of "The liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke". Although not stated in its initial declaration of existence which was printed and distributed on the 1st of April 1955, EOKA also had a target of achieving enosis (union of Cyprus with Greece). However, although this ideology reflected in its members (and chiefly its military leader George Grivas) throughout the armed campaign, it was not of universal acceptance.

Now do you get it?