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[miltiades]

A European Union member state cannot restrict the free movement of EU citizens. Closure of the crossings would be tantamount to recognition.

So is illegally occupying another country but that dont stop the Turks.

Turkey is not a European Union member state. Do you not see that denying access to Turkish Cypriots living in the north to the government controlled territory would amount to denying their status as RoC and therefore EU citizens, and would thus amount to recognising their status as TRNC citizens, and by extension to recognition of the TRNC? The only side that can shut the crossings is the north, and maybe it will happen under Eroğlu.

I entirely agree with Tim, further more to alienate the T/Cs and draw them further and further away from the RoC WOULD NOT SERVE THE INTERESTS OF CYPRUS AS A WHOLE.
We must continue efforts to arrive at an acceptable solution , one that would guarantee the independence and territorial integrity of our nation , one that would guarantee that all Cypriots are equal as Cypriots , they only become majorities and minorities when rejecting their true motherland , the island of Cyprus.

[B25]

But I really do think that the roc should shut the gates to prove to you that they cannot do that either, the EU will drop on to them like a tonne of bricks. Now do you realise that this joining the EU lark is actually a double edge sword which can lead to Hara-Kiri

If the RoC wants to raise the heat (in the scenario I described above), it will not need to close the gates as such.

It only needs to start arresting TCs who are illegaly using stolen property and doing an Orams on them.. do a few of these and the flow will stop in weeks..

Let's hope we do not need to go there..

Even better, delay entry, take like 30 minutes per person see how that affects their jobs here.

Pyro, I don't agree with you on this mate. I still maintain, if there is no jobs for the anatolians, then they won't come, the TCs will be forced to take any job. You tell me one TC here (and remember we have been told that VP represents the ave. TC) who even gives an ounce of shit for the GCs. And you want me/us to sympathise. Na pasin na gamithousi.

There are manyways to skin a cat mate.

[Oracle]

I'd like to hear your views on what the GC's should do.

We should contribute funds towards hastening the EU-military response. The SBAs can be used for the defence build-up. Greece to stay and cover its own borders.

Then bomb Ankara ...

[Oracle]

I haven't got a clue ...

But, I'll start with kicking the first Turk I see, on the shins ....

[Oracle]

Or, maybe ....



Naaahhh .... Remember, I'm a pacifist ....

OK. Feel better now ... off to make a Chocolate Bombe instead.

[YFred]

A European Union member state cannot restrict the free movement of EU citizens. Closure of the crossings would be tantamount to recognition.

So is illegally occupying another country but that dont stop the Turks.

Turkey is not a European Union member state. Do you not see that denying access to Turkish Cypriots living in the north to the government controlled territory would amount to denying their status as RoC and therefore EU citizens, and would thus amount to recognising their status as TRNC citizens, and by extension to recognition of the TRNC? The only side that can shut the crossings is the north, and maybe it will happen under Eroğlu.

Now look here Tim, no more advice to my GC friends, let them do what they do best, work themselves to ecstasy on some matter which is totally unachievable and let fall fall back down to ground with their political and diplomatic impotence into the abys that they belong. You hear?

[yialousa1971]

I have been thinking about this for a while now. As it stands the talks dont seem to be going anywhere. Once Talat is voted out in April we will have to deal with the racist Eroglu. Once he is gets involved I guess the talks will have to start from the beginning as he is in favour of partition.

When that happens I believe our President will then call of the talks off because of the position the Turks of Cyprus will take. Once the talks fail we need to make certain moves.

Firstly I would say we need to shut down the crossing points. Stop TC's crossing over and working on our side. This would then throw the North into crisis. High unemployment will be rife.

Once we take that measure Turkey will need to raise the budget they currently allocate to the Turks of Cyprus.

In turn the GC refugees should start taking any EU nationals to court that live on stolen land and the remianing should start legal proceedings against turkey in the European Court of Human Rights. Let's see how long Turkey will be able to carry on supporting the Turks of Cyrpus then.

It's about time we took action as the softly softly approach isnt working.

I'd like to hear your views on what the GC's should do.

Why were we negotiating with the invaders in the first place?

[Viewpoint]

A European Union member state cannot restrict the free movement of EU citizens. Closure of the crossings would be tantamount to recognition.

So is illegally occupying another country but that dont stop the Turks.

Turkey is not a European Union member state. Do you not see that denying access to Turkish Cypriots living in the north to the government controlled territory would amount to denying their status as RoC and therefore EU citizens, and would thus amount to recognising their status as TRNC citizens, and by extension to recognition of the TRNC? The only side that can shut the crossings is the north, and maybe it will happen under Eroğlu.

Now look here Tim, no more advice to my GC friends, let them do what they do best, work themselves to ecstasy on some matter which is totally unachievable and let fall fall back down to ground with their political and diplomatic impotence into the abys that they belong. You hear?

I agree allow them to do what they wish, if they want to close the borders they should Im sure they have calculated the consequencies and their might in the EU.

[CopperLine]

I have been thinking about this for a while now. As it stands the talks dont seem to be going anywhere. Once Talat is voted out in April we will have to deal with the racist Eroglu. Once he is gets involved I guess the talks will have to start from the beginning as he is in favour of partition.

When that happens I believe our President will then call of the talks off because of the position the Turks of Cyprus will take. Once the talks fail we need to make certain moves.

Firstly I would say we need to shut down the crossing points. Stop TC's crossing over and working on our side. This would then throw the North into crisis. High unemployment will be rife.

Once we take that measure Turkey will need to raise the budget they currently allocate to the Turks of Cyprus.

In turn the GC refugees should start taking any EU nationals to court that live on stolen land and the remianing should start legal proceedings against turkey in the European Court of Human Rights. Let's see how long Turkey will be able to carry on supporting the Turks of Cyrpus then.

It's about time we took action as the softly softly approach isnt working.

I'd like to hear your views on what the GC's should do.

Problem 1 : "I would say we need to shut down the crossing points. Stop TC's crossing over and working on our side." Many TCs are both citizens of RoC and EU citizens therefore to do waht you propose would (a) be a breach of RoC law and a breach of EU law as well as a breach of TCs human rights.

Problem 2 : "I would say we need to shut down the crossing points. Stop TC's crossing over and working on our side. This would then throw the North into crisis. High unemployment will be rife." It would also throw the north still more firmly into dependency on Turkey, so how would that help RoC or GCs ? It would also confirm the prejudices of Turkophiles who would then show what GCs are "really like" and confirm the continuing need for Turkish "protection."

Problem 3 : "Once we take that measure Turkey will need to raise the budget they currently allocate to the Turks of Cyprus." The difference between Turkey's economic support for northern Cyprus with an open green line and a northern Cyprus with a closed green line is minimal. Current EU monies to northern Cyprus are relatively small and, in any case, more of a bonus than a necessity.

Problem 4 : Since 2004 the decision to close the green line is no longer a purely RoC matter, but is also a matter for the EU. Membership of the EU has its price, as well as its benefits.

[YFred]

I have been thinking about this for a while now. As it stands the talks dont seem to be going anywhere. Once Talat is voted out in April we will have to deal with the racist Eroglu. Once he is gets involved I guess the talks will have to start from the beginning as he is in favour of partition.

When that happens I believe our President will then call of the talks off because of the position the Turks of Cyprus will take. Once the talks fail we need to make certain moves.

Firstly I would say we need to shut down the crossing points. Stop TC's crossing over and working on our side. This would then throw the North into crisis. High unemployment will be rife.

Once we take that measure Turkey will need to raise the budget they currently allocate to the Turks of Cyprus.

In turn the GC refugees should start taking any EU nationals to court that live on stolen land and the remianing should start legal proceedings against turkey in the European Court of Human Rights. Let's see how long Turkey will be able to carry on supporting the Turks of Cyrpus then.

It's about time we took action as the softly softly approach isnt working.

I'd like to hear your views on what the GC's should do.

Problem 1 : "I would say we need to shut down the crossing points. Stop TC's crossing over and working on our side." Many TCs are both citizens of RoC and EU citizens therefore to do waht you propose would (a) be a breach of RoC law and a breach of EU law as well as a breach of TCs human rights.

Problem 2 : "I would say we need to shut down the crossing points. Stop TC's crossing over and working on our side. This would then throw the North into crisis. High unemployment will be rife." It would also throw the north still more firmly into dependency on Turkey, so how would that help RoC or GCs ? It would also confirm the prejudices of Turkophiles who would then show what GCs are "really like" and confirm the continuing need for Turkish "protection."

Problem 3 : "Once we take that measure Turkey will need to raise the budget they currently allocate to the Turks of Cyprus." The difference between Turkey's economic support for northern Cyprus with an open green line and a northern Cyprus with a closed green line is minimal. Current EU monies to northern Cyprus are relatively small and, in any case, more of a bonus than a necessity.

Problem 4 : Since 2004 the decision to close the green line is no longer a purely RoC matter, but is also a matter for the EU. Membership of the EU has its price, as well as its benefits.

Copperline kindly leave the ignorants to their ignorance please, they can play with their joystick to their hearts content. That way we have easier time all round.