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[CBBB]

Isn't the important point in the Cyprus Mail article that the GC refugees are complaining that they have to leave the land they occupy as it belongs to TCs?

So the RoC Government is obviously practising what it preaches and protecting the right to their property of TCs, unlike Turkey.

[Tim Drayton]

GR. Sure - not all journalists tell the truth. But if the Polemidia story is true I can understand why other GC journalists wouldn't be keen to write about it! All I'm asking is for some validation or otherwise of the suggested facts. After all, the GC Government don't have a great track record in the processing of deeds!
We all know how the TRNC have chosen to deal with GC property. Whether you agree with the approach or not, it is their documented policy.
In the South I know that there are decade-old laws protecting TC properties (we keep hearing about them) - but the question here is are they being observed?
So please don't patronise me - if this story is incorrect provide some evidence.

This is a point that I have made on this forum several times recently, never to get a reply.

I am prepared to keep an open mind as to whether certain legitimate Turkish Cypriot property rights in the unoccupied area of Cyprus have been abused, but, given that the recent Apostolides and Sofi cases have set clear precedents, why are such abuses not now being challenged through the courts?

[Tim Drayton]

Get Real puts me in mind of a frightened youth hiding in a dark corner with a knife pretending that the whole world is afraid of him, they are not and you need help.His remarks regarding the plight of the Orams demonstrate that he is mean spirited and deviod of human feeling, or the milk of human kindness. Court rulings won't get you any land but I know a number of TCs who would be more than happy to give up the former GC houses they live in. All they want is their own homes in Paphos back. Who about it? Do you want to achieve something or just stay in your dark corner forever? You are sleepwalking into a Turkish state.Try to anwser without abuse if you are capable, but I doubt it.

The T/Cs with legally held deeds of properties anywhere in Cyprus remain the legal owners .Their properties have not been sold to foreigners by unscrupulous developers , the RoC holds their properties in trust , theirs to claim by meeting a very simple criteria . Residence in the RoC for six months.
Personally I do not entirely agree with the length of time required but while Turkey occupies the northern parts of Cyprus such requirements might be fundamental .

Miltiades, this rule is history. The RoC Attorney General's Office, as part of the out of court settlement of the Sofi case, has signed a declaration of intent to alter the system for Turkish Cypriots who wish to reclaim their property, including a revision of the six month rule.

[vaughanwilliams]

Get Real puts me in mind of a frightened youth hiding in a dark corner with a knife pretending that the whole world is afraid of him, they are not and you need help.His remarks regarding the plight of the Orams demonstrate that he is mean spirited and deviod of human feeling, or the milk of human kindness. Court rulings won't get you any land but I know a number of TCs who would be more than happy to give up the former GC houses they live in. All they want is their own homes in Paphos back. Who about it? Do you want to achieve something or just stay in your dark corner forever? You are sleepwalking into a Turkish state.Try to anwser without abuse if you are capable, but I doubt it.

The T/Cs with legally held deeds of properties anywhere in Cyprus remain the legal owners .Their properties have not been sold to foreigners by unscrupulous developers , the RoC holds their properties in trust , theirs to claim by meeting a very simple criteria . Residence in the RoC for six months.
Personally I do not entirely agree with the length of time required but while Turkey occupies the northern parts of Cyprus such requirements might be fundamental .

Miltiades, this rule is history. The RoC Attorney General's Office, as part of the out of court settlement of the Sofi case, has signed a declaration of intent to alter the system for Turkish Cypriots who wish to reclaim their property, including a revision of the six month rule.

Tim,

What about the "no restitution of property until there is a settlement of the Cyprob" rule? Surely, to make this a condition is to burden the claimant with something beyond their control? Mr. Apostilides and his representatives have clearly shown that they weren't prepared to wait that long. Why should anyone else?

[DT.]

Get Real puts me in mind of a frightened youth hiding in a dark corner with a knife pretending that the whole world is afraid of him, they are not and you need help.His remarks regarding the plight of the Orams demonstrate that he is mean spirited and deviod of human feeling, or the milk of human kindness. Court rulings won't get you any land but I know a number of TCs who would be more than happy to give up the former GC houses they live in. All they want is their own homes in Paphos back. Who about it? Do you want to achieve something or just stay in your dark corner forever? You are sleepwalking into a Turkish state.Try to anwser without abuse if you are capable, but I doubt it.

The T/Cs with legally held deeds of properties anywhere in Cyprus remain the legal owners .Their properties have not been sold to foreigners by unscrupulous developers , the RoC holds their properties in trust , theirs to claim by meeting a very simple criteria . Residence in the RoC for six months.
Personally I do not entirely agree with the length of time required but while Turkey occupies the northern parts of Cyprus such requirements might be fundamental .

Miltiades, this rule is history. The RoC Attorney General's Office, as part of the out of court settlement of the Sofi case, has signed a declaration of intent to alter the system for Turkish Cypriots who wish to reclaim their property, including a revision of the six month rule.

Tim,

What about the "no restitution of property until there is a settlement of the Cyprob" rule? Surely, to make this a condition is to burden the claimant with something beyond their control? Mr. Apostilides and his representatives have clearly shown that they weren't prepared to wait that long. Why should anyone else?

DO you know whether you're quoting the GC side or the TC side now?

[Tim Drayton]

Get Real puts me in mind of a frightened youth hiding in a dark corner with a knife pretending that the whole world is afraid of him, they are not and you need help.His remarks regarding the plight of the Orams demonstrate that he is mean spirited and deviod of human feeling, or the milk of human kindness. Court rulings won't get you any land but I know a number of TCs who would be more than happy to give up the former GC houses they live in. All they want is their own homes in Paphos back. Who about it? Do you want to achieve something or just stay in your dark corner forever? You are sleepwalking into a Turkish state.Try to anwser without abuse if you are capable, but I doubt it.

The T/Cs with legally held deeds of properties anywhere in Cyprus remain the legal owners .Their properties have not been sold to foreigners by unscrupulous developers , the RoC holds their properties in trust , theirs to claim by meeting a very simple criteria . Residence in the RoC for six months.
Personally I do not entirely agree with the length of time required but while Turkey occupies the northern parts of Cyprus such requirements might be fundamental .

Miltiades, this rule is history. The RoC Attorney General's Office, as part of the out of court settlement of the Sofi case, has signed a declaration of intent to alter the system for Turkish Cypriots who wish to reclaim their property, including a revision of the six month rule.

Tim,

What about the "no restitution of property until there is a settlement of the Cyprob" rule? Surely, to make this a condition is to burden the claimant with something beyond their control? Mr. Apostilides and his representatives have clearly shown that they weren't prepared to wait that long. Why should anyone else?

It is news to me that there exists such a rule. How do you explain the phenomenon of a small number of Turkish Cypriots who have returned to live in their old properties, including a certain notorious gentleman who returned to his old house in Episkopi near Limassol after having pocketed the proceeds from selling two exchange properties?

[vaughanwilliams]

Get Real puts me in mind of a frightened youth hiding in a dark corner with a knife pretending that the whole world is afraid of him, they are not and you need help.His remarks regarding the plight of the Orams demonstrate that he is mean spirited and deviod of human feeling, or the milk of human kindness. Court rulings won't get you any land but I know a number of TCs who would be more than happy to give up the former GC houses they live in. All they want is their own homes in Paphos back. Who about it? Do you want to achieve something or just stay in your dark corner forever? You are sleepwalking into a Turkish state.Try to anwser without abuse if you are capable, but I doubt it.

The T/Cs with legally held deeds of properties anywhere in Cyprus remain the legal owners .Their properties have not been sold to foreigners by unscrupulous developers , the RoC holds their properties in trust , theirs to claim by meeting a very simple criteria . Residence in the RoC for six months.
Personally I do not entirely agree with the length of time required but while Turkey occupies the northern parts of Cyprus such requirements might be fundamental .

Miltiades, this rule is history. The RoC Attorney General's Office, as part of the out of court settlement of the Sofi case, has signed a declaration of intent to alter the system for Turkish Cypriots who wish to reclaim their property, including a revision of the six month rule.

Tim,

What about the "no restitution of property until there is a settlement of the Cyprob" rule? Surely, to make this a condition is to burden the claimant with something beyond their control? Mr. Apostilides and his representatives have clearly shown that they weren't prepared to wait that long. Why should anyone else?

It is news to me that there exists such a rule. How do you explain the phenomenon of a small number of Turkish Cypriots who have returned to live in their old properties, including a certain notorious gentleman who returned to his old house in Episkopi near Limassol after having pocketed the proceeds from selling two exchange properties?

Well the rule does exist according to the The Guardian of Turkish Cypriot Property, which was set up, by the law 139/1991 as the caretaker of properties belonging to Turkish Cypriot refugees due to the extant circumstances i.e. the continuing division of the island.
According to the law: the Guardian takes over the property and when the Cyprus problem is resolved it is handed back to its legal owners in the state it had been received.
My question is: If Mr. A wasn't prepared to wait that long, why should anyone else?

[CBBB]

Get Real puts me in mind of a frightened youth hiding in a dark corner with a knife pretending that the whole world is afraid of him, they are not and you need help.His remarks regarding the plight of the Orams demonstrate that he is mean spirited and deviod of human feeling, or the milk of human kindness. Court rulings won't get you any land but I know a number of TCs who would be more than happy to give up the former GC houses they live in. All they want is their own homes in Paphos back. Who about it? Do you want to achieve something or just stay in your dark corner forever? You are sleepwalking into a Turkish state.Try to anwser without abuse if you are capable, but I doubt it.

The T/Cs with legally held deeds of properties anywhere in Cyprus remain the legal owners .Their properties have not been sold to foreigners by unscrupulous developers , the RoC holds their properties in trust , theirs to claim by meeting a very simple criteria . Residence in the RoC for six months.
Personally I do not entirely agree with the length of time required but while Turkey occupies the northern parts of Cyprus such requirements might be fundamental .

Miltiades, this rule is history. The RoC Attorney General's Office, as part of the out of court settlement of the Sofi case, has signed a declaration of intent to alter the system for Turkish Cypriots who wish to reclaim their property, including a revision of the six month rule.

Tim,

What about the "no restitution of property until there is a settlement of the Cyprob" rule? Surely, to make this a condition is to burden the claimant with something beyond their control? Mr. Apostilides and his representatives have clearly shown that they weren't prepared to wait that long. Why should anyone else?

It is news to me that there exists such a rule. How do you explain the phenomenon of a small number of Turkish Cypriots who have returned to live in their old properties, including a certain notorious gentleman who returned to his old house in Episkopi near Limassol after having pocketed the proceeds from selling two exchange properties?

Well the rule does exist according to the The Guardian of Turkish Cypriot Property, which was set up, by the law 139/1991 as the caretaker of properties belonging to Turkish Cypriot refugees due to the extant circumstances i.e. the continuing division of the island.
According to the law: the Guardian takes over the property and when the Cyprus problem is resolved it is handed back to its legal owners in the state it had been received.
My question is: If Mr. A wasn't prepared to wait that long, why should anyone else?

As has been pointed out to you TCs are getting their properties back, so this so called rule which you have provided no substantiation for, obviously doesn't exist/apply.

[vaughanwilliams]

Get Real puts me in mind of a frightened youth hiding in a dark corner with a knife pretending that the whole world is afraid of him, they are not and you need help.His remarks regarding the plight of the Orams demonstrate that he is mean spirited and deviod of human feeling, or the milk of human kindness. Court rulings won't get you any land but I know a number of TCs who would be more than happy to give up the former GC houses they live in. All they want is their own homes in Paphos back. Who about it? Do you want to achieve something or just stay in your dark corner forever? You are sleepwalking into a Turkish state.Try to anwser without abuse if you are capable, but I doubt it.

The T/Cs with legally held deeds of properties anywhere in Cyprus remain the legal owners .Their properties have not been sold to foreigners by unscrupulous developers , the RoC holds their properties in trust , theirs to claim by meeting a very simple criteria . Residence in the RoC for six months.
Personally I do not entirely agree with the length of time required but while Turkey occupies the northern parts of Cyprus such requirements might be fundamental .

Miltiades, this rule is history. The RoC Attorney General's Office, as part of the out of court settlement of the Sofi case, has signed a declaration of intent to alter the system for Turkish Cypriots who wish to reclaim their property, including a revision of the six month rule.

Tim,

What about the "no restitution of property until there is a settlement of the Cyprob" rule? Surely, to make this a condition is to burden the claimant with something beyond their control? Mr. Apostilides and his representatives have clearly shown that they weren't prepared to wait that long. Why should anyone else?

It is news to me that there exists such a rule. How do you explain the phenomenon of a small number of Turkish Cypriots who have returned to live in their old properties, including a certain notorious gentleman who returned to his old house in Episkopi near Limassol after having pocketed the proceeds from selling two exchange properties?

Well the rule does exist according to the The Guardian of Turkish Cypriot Property, which was set up, by the law 139/1991 as the caretaker of properties belonging to Turkish Cypriot refugees due to the extant circumstances i.e. the continuing division of the island.
According to the law: the Guardian takes over the property and when the Cyprus problem is resolved it is handed back to its legal owners in the state it had been received.
My question is: If Mr. A wasn't prepared to wait that long, why should anyone else?

As has been pointed out to you TCs are getting their properties back, so this so called rule which you have provided no substantiation for, obviously doesn't exist/apply.

"...no substantiation..."
So isn't RoC law statute 139/1991 substantiation enough?

[CBBB]

Get Real puts me in mind of a frightened youth hiding in a dark corner with a knife pretending that the whole world is afraid of him, they are not and you need help.His remarks regarding the plight of the Orams demonstrate that he is mean spirited and deviod of human feeling, or the milk of human kindness. Court rulings won't get you any land but I know a number of TCs who would be more than happy to give up the former GC houses they live in. All they want is their own homes in Paphos back. Who about it? Do you want to achieve something or just stay in your dark corner forever? You are sleepwalking into a Turkish state.Try to anwser without abuse if you are capable, but I doubt it.

The T/Cs with legally held deeds of properties anywhere in Cyprus remain the legal owners .Their properties have not been sold to foreigners by unscrupulous developers , the RoC holds their properties in trust , theirs to claim by meeting a very simple criteria . Residence in the RoC for six months.
Personally I do not entirely agree with the length of time required but while Turkey occupies the northern parts of Cyprus such requirements might be fundamental .

Miltiades, this rule is history. The RoC Attorney General's Office, as part of the out of court settlement of the Sofi case, has signed a declaration of intent to alter the system for Turkish Cypriots who wish to reclaim their property, including a revision of the six month rule.

Tim,

What about the "no restitution of property until there is a settlement of the Cyprob" rule? Surely, to make this a condition is to burden the claimant with something beyond their control? Mr. Apostilides and his representatives have clearly shown that they weren't prepared to wait that long. Why should anyone else?

It is news to me that there exists such a rule. How do you explain the phenomenon of a small number of Turkish Cypriots who have returned to live in their old properties, including a certain notorious gentleman who returned to his old house in Episkopi near Limassol after having pocketed the proceeds from selling two exchange properties?

Well the rule does exist according to the The Guardian of Turkish Cypriot Property, which was set up, by the law 139/1991 as the caretaker of properties belonging to Turkish Cypriot refugees due to the extant circumstances i.e. the continuing division of the island.
According to the law: the Guardian takes over the property and when the Cyprus problem is resolved it is handed back to its legal owners in the state it had been received.
My question is: If Mr. A wasn't prepared to wait that long, why should anyone else?

As has been pointed out to you TCs are getting their properties back, so this so called rule which you have provided no substantiation for, obviously doesn't exist/apply.

"...no substantiation..."
So isn't RoC law statute 139/1991 substantiation enough?

Show me the law.