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[brother]

Brother! I understand your anger is because I didn't tell you yet whether you have passed the test. I believe with a little bit of more effort you will also pass it very easily.

You are not funny kifeas, you should stop playing games with people by provoking them to see what reactions you will get, i have never been or will be someone you can play games with but if you want constructive debate then why not but for the last time PLEASE STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH PEOPLE

[Kifeas]

Brother! I understand your anger is because I didn't tell you yet whether you have passed the test. I believe with a little bit of more effort you will also pass it very easily.

You are not funny kifeas, you should stop playing games with people by provoking them to see what reactions you will get, i have never been or will be someone you can play games with but if you want constructive debate then why not but for the last time PLEASE STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH PEOPLE

Brother, I have never addressed you personally, with the intent to play games. If you have chosen in the past to jump into my other discussions with other forum members, especially without fully understanding what was the foundation of the discussion, this is a different story.
Yesterday I addressed a posting to you with a constructive intent, in reply to one of yours about the hypothetical RoC violations of TCs human rights, but you neglected commenting back. Therefore for what reason do you invite me for constructive dialogues if you live it in the middle of the way?

[Khan]

Their sovereignty, dont forget 30 years ago GC's tried to take advantage of a surprise attack over the island so enosis could be declared before the Turkish army had time to intervene. I'm not saying enosis would be a target today, but a weak undefended minority could be if there was no deterrent.

I am glad to notice that you refer to Tcs as minority, although their rights are equal to Gcs' rights.
Anyway, you believe that if the occupation army go back to its turkish camps there will be any kind of "troubles" in CY?

You only have to look at the threats South has been issuing to arrest anybody from abroad who buys pre74 GC property. There are indeed provocations which could lead to another intercommunal conflict. At least the Turkish armys presence is a big enough deterrent to keep the peace.

[Main_Source]

There's no peace...and never will be until people get back what belongs to them. Carry on acting blind.

[Viewpoint]

Get real, peace for me is when people arent dieing all the time not when people arent unable to get back property, life is the key not material belongings, surely the priod after 1974 has been a peaceful one for both our communities in comparison to the nightmare years of the 60s and 70s. You are only kidding yourselves by say we are not at peace, dream on.....

[erolz]

There's no peace...and never will be until people get back what belongs to them. Carry on acting blind.

Including the political equality the TC community had under the 60's agreements and lost in 63 (let alone the lands property and lives lost)? Or do you mean there can be no peace until GC get back what they lost in 74? I suspect you mean the later but would be happy to hear I am wrong and you mean the former.

[Murtaza]

In Western European historian, we only really come across the Ottomans after the battle of Vienna, whereupon they began their long retreat... hence why many Europeans see Turkey as a non-European country, even despite Turkey having been an integral part of European history for centuries. The fact that we're also taught about 'The Sick Man of Europe' also helps to flavour our image of modern Turkey.

Because we are not, with all greece, serbian or other lands we become an European country.But without them we are not. Turkey didnt effect European history much, but Ottomans.

I think turkey is somewhat like russia. But because of our religion we are even worse than russia.

We are easterner my friend and I think we should stay that way. But we should also think Turkish minorities live at Europea. So we should not be enemy of EU.

Well It would be a little unethic but we should support who give much benefit to Turkey.

But we are not european. Even the minorities who live in Europea is not European.


We live east of easter Europea.

[gabaston]

Filitsa

To appreciate why the invasion is celebrated you have to be tc, just like you had to have lived through ww2 to appreciate why D-day or the end of that war was celebrated. Please try and understand that prior to that invasion tcs lead a very restricted existence, which in no way was comparable to gcs existence or even tcs present day existence. That may be hard to understand but it is true. Tc’s see themselves as being liberated from oppression, and hence to this day celebrate, just like the French celebrate the anniversary of the liberation of Paris, or possibly Greece celebrates liberation from turkish rule.

What are they defending today – well now that is a massive question and problem that grows each day.
We now have an entirely new problem developing in Cyprus. Im not claiming the rights or wrongs of it but the knots in this problem are being tightened every day. Today the problem all boils down to one thing: Land.

Ill just give you an example, and im not saying its right or its wrong but this is how it goes.

A Turkish family moved from Larnaca to Girne abandoning their family house and hardware shop. In Girne that family renounced all rights to their Larnaca properties to the tc authorities. They were given similar properties in Girne in return. Last year the gc owner of the house in which the tc family now live, paid them a visit. After initial traditional hospitalities coffee lokmas etc it was down to business, and got a bit heated. The Gc owner told the turk that whatever happenes or wherever it goes he is getting his house back. The turk asked how long the gc owner lived in that house, and the gc replied 17 years, the tc then said well ive lived here for 30.

Im not saying whats right or whats wrong. Given the unique problems of the Cyprob there is probably no precedent against which to judge this and other similar cases. It goes beyond international law, and there is probably no court high enough or with the power to enforce its findings. This was the result of war, and the winners of wars then decide what is legal and what is not, as happened following both world wars. Was it legal to nuke Japan for instance? Is there a court high enough and with sufficient powers to pass judgment?

It is said possession is nine tenths of the law. If I were the gc owner id be furious, and I can well empathise with him, I can also empathise with the tc who left his home and business in Larnaca, to start afresh in Girne.

Today we don’t face the problem one side killing the other, although some gcs may think turkey may again attack GC (in todays world that is totally out of the equation, it always was). Today our problem is land. Once that one is resolved we have a resolution. Personally I don’t think it will be in our lifetime, but that’s just my opinion. What makes it tougher is that the longer it carries on unresolved the harder the problem becomes to unravel and the tighter its knots become.

Im not sure if ive answered your question in a way that makes sense to you, but basically its all about land. Gc wants it back, tc doesn’t want to give it back. 50 years ago it was enosis, a thousand years ago it was Richard the Lionheart. Today its about the size of cypriots pockets ie land. Despite all the mass graves on both sides we carry and never learn. We’ll probably still be looking for reasons to kill each other in thousands of years time. This is cyprus and this unfortunately is how its been for the last thousand years -

[gabaston]

double print - like it wasnt long enough in the first place.

[brother]

Kifeas wrote

Brother, I have never addressed you personally, with the intent to play games. If you have chosen in the past to jump into my other discussions with other forum members, especially without fully understanding what was the foundation of the discussion, this is a different story.
Yesterday I addressed a posting to you with a constructive intent, in reply to one of yours about the hypothetical RoC violations of TCs human rights, but you neglected commenting back. Therefore for what reason do you invite me for constructive dialogues if you live it in the middle of the way?

I always read and then comment and i can see you playing with people hence i feel the need to say something about it as i do not see the reason to play these games.

As for your leaving me a comment on another thread which you expected me to reply i unfortunately have forgotton which thread that was, if and when i find it be assured i will reply as i always do.