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Postby Kifeas » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:47 am

Filitsa wrote:Understood, but still I ask, "Why celebrate the anniversary of the invasion?" This is a Turkish celebration in Cyprus, not a Cypriot celebration. As Demetriou wrote it's a do-as-the-Turkish-government-says mentality that doesn't serve the cause for peace and unity. I see it as a slap-in-the-face to all Cypriots. Don't you?


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Every country or nation in the whole world is trying to have some days in the year in which to celebrate their heroic past, boost the moral of its people and display (show off) its determination and ability to engage in future wars.

The same goes in Greece for example, where they celebrate the 1821 revolution against the Ottoman Empire on the 25 of March, which marked the beginning of Greece’s independence and the 1940 victory against the fascist Italian invaders and the Axis, which is celebrated on the 28 of October every year.

Now in the case of Turkey, they seem not to have too many such glorious events in their history as a nation. Therefore, in the absence of such more important events against much bigger and stronger opponents, as it is the case of Greece, they choose to celebrate the invasion against Cyprus in 1974. They are not concerned about the fact that a country 100 times bigger than Cyprus attacked us at a time in which we were in the middle of a civil war and the whole country and the army were completely disorganised and substantially disarmed by EOKA B, they are not concerned about the fact despite the disadvantageous position in which we were found, their 1974 operation had nearly evolved into a complete military fiasco in which they lost almost the same number of troops as the GCs, but instead they are only concerned about the fact that they achieved a victory on us. Consequently, they feel the need to celebrate this event every year, as if they achieved the biggest victory on earth, in order to self -boost their moral.
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Postby demetriou_74 » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:49 am

Kifeas wrote:
Filitsa wrote:Understood, but still I ask, "Why celebrate the anniversary of the invasion?" This is a Turkish celebration in Cyprus, not a Cypriot celebration. As Demetriou wrote it's a do-as-the-Turkish-government-says mentality that doesn't serve the cause for peace and unity. I see it as a slap-in-the-face to all Cypriots. Don't you?


Filitsa,
Every country or nation in the whole world is trying to have some days in the year in which to celebrate their heroic past, boost the moral of its people and display (show off) its determination and ability to engage in future wars.

The same goes in Greece for example, where they celebrate the 1821 revolution against the Ottoman Empire on the 25 of March, which marked the beginning of Greece’s independence and the 1940 victory against the fascist Italian invaders and the Axis, which is celebrated on the 28 of October every year.

Now in the case of Turkey, they seem not to have too many such glorious events in their history as a nation. Therefore, in the absence of such more important events against much bigger and stronger opponents, as it is the case of Greece, they choose to celebrate the invasion against Cyprus in 1974. They are not concerned about the fact that a country 100 times bigger than Cyprus attacked us at a time in which we were in the middle of a civil war and the whole country and the army were completely disorganised and substantially disarmed by EOKA B, they are not concerned about the fact despite the disadvantageous position in which we were found, their 1974 operation had nearly evolved into a complete military fiasco in which they lost almost the same number of troops as the GCs, but instead they are only concerned about the fact that they achieved a victory on us. Consequently, they feel the need to celebrate this event every year, as if they achieved the biggest victory on earth, in order to self -boost their moral.



thats game set match. kifeas you hit the nail on the head
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Postby cannedmoose » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:00 pm

Kifeas you obviously don't recall the Ottoman victories in Kosovo (1389), Nikopol (1396), Varna (1444), Constantinople (1453), Algiers (1518), and Mohacs (1526) and Gallipoli (1917).

I'd also hesitate to add the modern Turkish victory over the Greeks at Smyrna in 1922, which effectively solidified Turkey's status in its modern borders. I hesitate because of the needless massacre that followed the capture of Smyrna, but war is war and these things happen.
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Postby RAFAELLA » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:14 pm

Khan wrote:Their sovereignty, dont forget 30 years ago GC's tried to take advantage of a surprise attack over the island so enosis could be declared before the Turkish army had time to intervene. I'm not saying enosis would be a target today, but a weak undefended minority could be if there was no deterrent.


I am glad to notice that you refer to Tcs as minority, although their rights are equal to Gcs' rights.
Anyway, you believe that if the occupation army go back to its turkish camps there will be any kind of "troubles" in CY?
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Postby Kifeas » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:20 pm

cannedmoose wrote:Kifeas you obviously don't recall the Ottoman victories in Kosovo (1389), Nikopol (1396), Varna (1444), Constantinople (1453), Algiers (1518), and Mohacs (1526) and Gallipoli (1917).

I'd also hesitate to add the modern Turkish victory over the Greeks at Smyrna in 1922, which effectively solidified Turkey's status in its modern borders. I hesitate because of the needless massacre that followed the capture of Smyrna, but war is war and these things happen.


Can you explain to me what relationship does have your profound admiration for the Ottoman Turks and their victorious past battlers over the last 1,000 years, with the bottom line of my message?

If you didn't understand what was the bottom line of my posting, you may read it again, unless of course if your only aim in answering my posting was to declare your admiration for the Turks, their ancestors and their achievements. :wink:
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Postby Murtaza » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:41 pm

Turks in Turkey dont celebrate it, we prefer to celebrate, conquest of istanbul, war of malazgirt or war of independence.

But for TC, If division is happened, That invasion time will be their independance time.
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Then they should leave, Khan ...............

Postby Filitsa » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:46 pm

Khan wrote:Their sovereignty, dont forget 30 years ago GC's tried to take advantage of a surprise attack over the island so enosis could be declared before the Turkish army had time to intervene. I'm not saying enosis would be a target today, but a weak undefended minority could be if there was no deterrent.



...........because their mission is accomplished. Enosis is a thing of the past, and there's nothing more that Cypriots want than their sovereignty. Just look to the Republic's (and I mean the legal one) economic stability.
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Postby Filitsa » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:50 pm

thats game set match. kifeas you hit the nail on the head


Oh no it's not, but I'll be back to explain later.
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Postby detailer » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:54 pm

Can you explain to me what relationship does have your profound admiration for the Ottoman Turks and their victorious past battlers over the last 1,000 years, with the bottom line of my message?


This is a typical kifeas provacation...
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Postby Kifeas » Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:34 pm

detailer wrote:
Can you explain to me what relationship does have your profound admiration for the Ottoman Turks and their victorious past battlers over the last 1,000 years, with the bottom line of my message?


This is a typical kifeas provacation...


That was just a simple question detailer. It would be more helpfull if you could just indicate to me where you see the provocation.
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