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[Pyrpolizer]

We all know it was Tasos Papadopoulos who urged the UNSG to start immediate intensive discussion on the initial version of Anan Plan. At that point the plan was ALREADY much in favor of the TC side. The best Papadopoulos could have ever achieved would be some minor changes by give and take on some issues, with the FINAL result STILL be in favour of the TC side. The GC side including the party leaders and Papadopoulos himself would then had no other option or valid arguments other than accepting it.

Instead of acting this way what did the Turkish side do? They used their Anglo American friends to push in the already biased plan so many changes in their favor that made the final plan totally unacceptable… and give the GC side a mountain of arguments to justify its rejection.

The same story gets repeated today.
They already have in hand the BBF with political equality as defined by the UN. They already got rotating presidency, and 50,000 settlers to stay. Isn’t that enough? Do they have to push for more and more, and on top of it push for confederation? Aren’t they in a position to understand what is the MAXIMUM they can get?

[boulio]

papadopoulos stated that annan 3 we would negotiate on ,once he said that the version ap3 changed dramatically in favor of turkey to come to ap5

[Pyrpolizer]

Correct. Couldn't Turkey just stop there, and get a final plan which would still be in their favor?

But no.... they wanted it all!!

[boomerang]

the problem is not cyprus but making a case for herself in the future on the EU aquis for herself with deviations...coz as the EU aquis as it stands it's quite obvious doesn't suit turkey...

the deviatiions they want for cyprus is not important, but the fact the EU can accept deviations is what they are after...

[paliometoxo]

thats what they will continue to do push for more and give us as little as possible

[repulsewarrior]

...it will force Talat to break free, if there is at present with his counterpart a way to throw on the table something entirely new, futuristic because it goes beyond "greek" and "turkish" into the realm of Human Betterment (the perfection Turkey begs, ironicly), a virgin birth, then he has a chance to win his election. territories returned to Turkish Cypriots in Paphos, whole villages to return is my suggestion. a National Assembly that is a counterpart to his governance which is turcophone makes for equality for each, both providing to all its citizenry. two national assemblies within a Sovereign state is Bicommunal (three (or more) governments two levels).

components whose sum makes a constituency, this geographically is Bizonal. he can win as a Cypriot with these gains on the ground.

[Oracle]

Correct. Couldn't Turkey just stop there, and get a final plan which would still be in their favor?

But no.... they wanted it all!!

We know what they want!

[BirKibrisli]

Pyro,

Turkey does not want a solution in Cyprus...it is about time you guys realised this...any agreed solution would mean the end of Turkish control and dominance of part of Cyprus...Turkey is playing for time and keeping the status quo going for as long as necessary....By doing this they get the best of both worlds...Slowly,very slowly,they are working towards presenting you with a fait acompli...annexation of the trnc when they feel the time is right...And you guys are playing right into their hands...

[boomerang]

Pyro,

Turkey does not want a solution in Cyprus...it is about time you guys realised this...any agreed solution would mean the end of Turkish control and dominance of part of Cyprus...Turkey is playing for time and keeping the status quo going for as long as necessary....By doing this they get the best of both worlds...Slowly,very slowly,they are working towards presenting you with a fait acompli...annexation of the trnc when they feel the time is right...And you guys are playing right into their hands...

so the alternative is to hand her the whole of cyprus on a platter as per annan plan...you know the feasable solution you support huh?...

and lets say you are right in what you say...why are the tcs so blind as not to see this coming...you need a velvet revolution in this case bir...get off your bike and start doing something about it rather than screaming poor tcs all the time...endorsing an apatheid system and taking the whole of cyprus down the drain...if anything you should be commending
the roc resisting these apatheid plans safeguarding our homeland...but instead...

but i know, to you the roc not accepting an apatheid system is because the gcs desire enosis...

man you change views like the wind...today it's blowing from the east and tomorrow from the west...

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro,

Turkey does not want a solution in Cyprus...it is about time you guys realised this...any agreed solution would mean the end of Turkish control and dominance of part of Cyprus...Turkey is playing for time and keeping the status quo going for as long as necessary....By doing this they get the best of both worlds...Slowly,very slowly,they are working towards presenting you with a fait acompli...annexation of the trnc when they feel the time is right...And you guys are playing right into their hands...

Bir as we all know Turkey is not just one, it is many (deep state they call it). This means there are many decision centers. I tend to beleive what you said is true only for the military decision center.The bussiness people, the political leadership and the Anglo americans do what a solution.

Man you got very depressive lately, it's affective you know, to me at least...