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[Yiannis]

Ooopss! When did GCs embrace RoC? Weren't they GCs who didn't like the 60s agrements, treaties and undermining the RoC in order to annex it with Greece?

Thats irrelevant.I havent said anywhere here or in any other posts that GC were innocent but we are talking about the police here which represents all Cypriots and not just GC, at least in theory.However should the police just stoped checking and making sure that the citizens are safe, or neglect checking anyone for the sake of not causing any trouble to TCs trying to go somewhere.Just tell me what do u think its more important.

nope trust me i have not been stopped....ok i have not been stopped.

driving walking tube, train, bus, macdonalds, i have not been stopped.

[Yiannis]

your govt thought it prudent for you not to know, it would have either turned you against them, or left in you in an embarrasing possition if you knew and consented by supporting them. There were injustices in your country. did you not have the right to know?

I never said that there was no injustice but i think you choose the wrong example of injustice.

[Viewpoint]

Yiannis

but we are talking about the police here which represents all Cypriots and not just GC, at least in theory.However should the police just stoped checking and making sure that the citizens are safe, or neglect checking anyone for the sake of not causing any trouble to TCs trying to go somewhere

they should have checked GCs cars as well why were only TCs cars stopped???? TCs didnt feel safe they felt harrased and feared for their lives.

[gabaston]

ok take your pick on injustices,

im not arguing injustices, i'm telling mac there were rodblocks, exclusively on tc and not on gc. If tc were smuggling guns they'd have paid gc to do it. not hard to find if the price is high enough.

it was another harrasment method aimed at demoralsing tc. Why were only tc cars stopped?

[Yiannis]

they should have checked GCs cars as well why were only TCs cars stopped???? TCs didnt feel safe they felt harrased and feared for their lives.

As far as i know after 1964 there were no attrocities of gcs against tcs and therefore i see no reason why the police should have maken sure that no gcs try and carry guns in their cars to be used against tcs.

it was another harrasment method aimed at demoralsing tc. Why were only tc cars stopped?

Look i wasnt even born at that time and im not stating that im 100% sure that it wasn't another attempt to dissolve the tcs.
So i guess the answer can only be seeked from those that were living at that time and they were old enough to tell us if any gc were also being checked or not. However how do i know that a tc will not hide the fact that a gc was also checked and on the same time you can deny a gc stating that was searched too.
So lets just stick to true facts (in this case facts that prove the demoralization of TCs i.e discremination of TCs at work place) and let the assumptions aside.

Personally my opinion is that road blocks for security purposes do not prove any attempt by GCs to demoralize TCs therefore please do not reply me back in this thread just and only because the topic is what TMT members did to innocent GCs.However feel free to open a new thread and give it a try to convince me and others the opposite. Im not afraid of the truth if you think that im not accepting the truth just because i dont want to see the truth.On the opposite i want to learn the whole truth about what brought us to the current situation.
All i know for sure is that i bare no responsiblity and im hoping that neither me or anyone else also completely innocent pays for the crimes of others like it happened in 63 and 74.

[insan]

Thats irrelevant.I havent said anywhere here or in any other posts that GC were innocent but we are talking about the police here which represents all Cypriots and not just GC, at least in theory.

Irrelevant?You think that the "police force"(Most of them were pro-Enosis anyway) of an Enosist "government" was serving the citizens of Cyprus in 60s?

However, perhaps the leftist GC policemen ... but only afterwards 1968 when Makarios took side with leftists because of the fear of Greek Junta and the Turkish intervention...

[Viewpoint]

Yiannis

Personally my opinion is that road blocks for security purposes do not prove any attempt by GCs to demoralize TCs therefore please do not reply me back in this thread just and only because the topic is what TMT members did to innocent GCs

Easy cop out in front of a few truths, if you step into kitchen you have to stand the heat....

[gabaston]

yiannis

discrimination at workplace ?

it wanst like that tcs worked in tc land, not gc land. Now

So lets just stick to true facts (in this case facts that prove the demoralization of TCs i.e discrimination of TCs at work place) and let the assumptions aside.

What workplace? Tc s worked in tc land, why do you assume tc worked with gc. You just don’t get it do you?
After 63 there was no intermingling, there may have been some cases, but generally no intermingling. Is this what they are now telling you. You are just strengthening my belief that you never knew and still don’t. We were being politically ethnically cleansed. Had the coup never took place by now the ratio would be 1 tc to 6-7. Makarios was a clever man, he would have succeeded in getting us down to an insignificant number.

Believe what you want. I was there. This didn’t happen once, it happened every- time. It wasn’t random, tcs stopped gcs waved through. Gc was in control of everything.

Well if you didn’t know then and don’t know now and don’t believe us when we tell you, gc propaganda machine done a fantastic job.


Let me repeat……………….i was there, I write from experience not books or web-sites. i am assuming nothing, you are assuming. I am desribing events which i experienced.

[MicAtCyp]

I remember an old Turkish Cypriot woman telling me a couple of years ago that everytime she left Nicosia to visit her village in Paphos in the 60's, the car would be stopped several times and all the women were subjected to dignity-killing (that is how she described it) body search.

You tell me where the hell were those checkpoints on the Nicosia to Paphos road, that nobody has ever seen? Tell me how come they were stoping the TCs without stoping the GCs? Was there some sort of a spirit telling them there comes a TC in that car???

The incident you mentioned is even described in the Cyprus conflict site and it is in line with what I said. It was at the enclaves!
To claim there were constant and multiple checkpoints in every major road all over the period from 1960-1974 is simply not true. In each and every checkpoint at the enclaves there was also a TC checkpoint a few meters away from the GC one and often a UN checkpoint too. We all know what happened in 1963 and in 1967.We all know there was a situation of chaos in those years. Yet checkpoints on major roads for those specific years lasted only for 1-2 months. So why all this effort to create the impression that for 14 whole years a TC could not possibly travel unless he spent half a day waiting under the hot sun at those "thousands" of checkpoints?

Regarding the matter of women been searched by Policemen may I remind you that 95% of the women during that period were staying at home.There were were only a couple of women solicitors, not even one judgewoman and very very few policewomen.When the matter of searching women by policemen was raised those very few policewomen were all transfered at the enclave checkpoints, but it's a fact they were not enough...

NB.At least the TCs could travel after passing the checkpoints out of their enclaves.Could any GC pass a TC checkpoint at an enclave to travel through and get out of it alive????

[gabaston]

there were queues one for gc's and one for tcs. documents had to be shown. You showed your document and was waved through if i guard thought you were greek. Its that simple.

why do you think i am making this up?
what type of life do you think we had?


i am not saying there were multiple checkpoints on every road.
this happened once or twice on every journey.

does enclave checking make it ok then?