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[Paphitis]

Your analysis is extremely unrealistic and based on many assumptions such as the willingness of Turkey to fight Greece, and the willingness of NATO or the US to allow this to happen. 50,000 casualties are way over the top and unfounded, as you seem to believe that any campaign will be allowed to continue beyond 2 weeks.

Epiktitos wrote:

I'm a pretty crappy armchair general, but I am certainly pessimistic about the outcome of an attempted liberation using force.

I think you should put a cork in it, and speak to the real arm chair General Get Real! Those forumers that know me in real life, also know that I have spent most of my adult life serving, now pensioned off by the Commonwealth for serving in 2 war zones, including the Persian Gulf. I still work in Defense and still get a pension check to boot, tax free.

Your idol, Get Real! is the forums very own irrational arm chair warrior, so why don't you kiss his arse some more....

Epiktitos wrote:

First off, NATO as an alliance would not get involved. NATO only concerns itself with attacks on members by outside parties. Any US involvement would not be positive from the Greek side because they have consistently backed turkey in this dispute and in any dispute involving Greece or Cyprus.

Oh really! NATO won't get involved should these 2 NATO allies go to war!

Mate, you a a resounding lunatic who has absolutely no idea.

Epiktitos wrote:

As for the casualties and the potential for a catastrophic outcome, some things to think about: the turks have (I believe) 2 armored divisions garrisoning cyprus, admittedly with most likely older equipment, but they will take some beating nonetheless. Also their resupply and reinforcements are say 100km away whereas the CNG needs to be resupplied from as far away as Crete, and under hostile conditions. The other major problem is that the turks would not hesitate to counterattack across the Evros and in the aegean, so Greece would have to hold the majority of her naval and air force assets (to say nothing of armour) back in Greece to prevent the loss of 50 times as much territory as might be liberated in Cyprus.

Once again, you have derailed this thread and turned it into something it is not.

The above is all irrelevant nonsense since the topic at hand is not one of Get Real's war threads. This is a thread about Greece projecting its considerable might in the Middle East by taking advantage of the legal obligations and thus hopefully strengthening the RoC leverage in the peace process or not.

Furthermore, and military person will tell you that success is measured in terms of the military objectives. You provide the objectives for any military objectives in Cyprus and then we could hypothetically discuss the chances of success or not, which in itself is still too difficult to do.

Epiktitos wrote:

If the kataxoumena are to be liberated, it will take the intervention of the great satan, or turkey to realise that a settlement is in her best interest.

There are many countries that could potentially send Turkey packing if they wanted to. Greece is one such country, which could possibly achieve the same thing under the right conditions.

So should Greece deploy its troops, aircraft and naval elements on Cyprus, which will change the balance of power in the region and give Turkey something to think about, or should we just continue as we are.

It's OK to be a partitionist. Just admit it and let's move on!

[Paphitis]

Greece is welcome to have as many bases in south cyprus as she wishes. She is far from being a threat to Türkiye militarily. Only Lebanon or Syria may be disturbed. And it is unlikely that bankrupt Greece will be after any bases in tiny Greece nowadays.

Well then, if Greece is not a threat, then why don't you invade a Greek island or 2 so that we can see how good you are against a nation that is armed to its teeth? Go On!

41 Greece $ 32,100 2009 est.
99 Turkey $ 11,200 2009 est.

If Greece is bankrupt, then what does that make Turkey?

[runaway]

Greece is welcome to have as many bases in south cyprus as she wishes. She is far from being a threat to Türkiye militarily. Only Lebanon or Syria may be disturbed. And it is unlikely that bankrupt Greece will be after any bases in tiny Greece nowadays.

Well then, if Greece is not a threat, then why don't you invade a Greek island or 2 so that we can see how good you are against a nation that is armed to its teeth? Go On!

41 Greece $ 32,100 2009 est.
99 Turkey $ 11,200 2009 est.

If Greece is bankrupt, then what does that make Turkey?

You don't watch any international news channels in south cyprus? Greece is making headlines for nearly 2 months for manipulating economic figures and they are in deep crisis. By the way Türkiye is world's 16th biggest economy and last time I checked Greece was not among the top 15.
I voted NAI for Greek bases in south cyprus. After all, Cyprus is a Turko-Greek island. They have every right to be there. Long live Turkish-Greek brotherhood.

[Oracle]

Paphitis, I think you have failed to take into account current positive developments which make such a strategically bloody retort unnecessary.

Any unilateral obligations by Greece were made obsolete after her monumental effort to assist our EU accession.

Moreover, any future conflicts in this region should be a multilateral effort from the EU since it is EU borders and territory which we are securing.

BTW This is from an armchair pacifist ...

P.S.

I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to Paphitis for suggesting he was masquerading as Epiktitos. My mistake entirely.

I am sure Epiktitos, true to his namesake, was unperturbed by that which he had no control over; although nevertheless may perhaps experience some light relief, freed from such an oxymoronic association ...

[Paphitis]

Paphitis, I think you have failed to take into account current positive developments which make such a strategically bloody retort unnecessary.

I didn't mean to make your stomach churn.

Oracle wrote:

Any unilateral obligations by Greece were made obsolete after her monumental effort to assist our EU accession.

I believe that the then 24 other EU members also played a role in the RoC's accession to the EU. Nevertheless, Greece was instrumental when it threatened to veto Poland unless the RoC was allowed into the EU.

But I still don't believe that is enough to make up for the fact that Cyprus has 37% of its own territory under occupation due to Greece's stupid meddling in RoC affairs and the 74 Coup. If I hurt a true friend, either deliberately or by accident, then I would do everything possible to make things right. I believe Greece needs to do much more to make things right in Cyprus, otherwise it is not a true friend. The same can be said of the UK, since it too has betrayed Cyprus....

Oracle wrote:

Moreover, any future conflicts in this region should be a multilateral effort from the EU since it is EU borders and territory which we are securing.

BTW This is from an armchair pacifist ...

What is holding the EU back?

Oracle wrote:

P.S.

I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to Paphitis for suggesting he was masquerading as Epiktitos. My mistake entirely.

No need to apologise. That was a bit OTT.

I just didn't want people to think that there are some Paphitis doubles on this forum.

Nevertheless, I think this thread has proven this beyond doubt...

[Paphitis]

Greece is welcome to have as many bases in south cyprus as she wishes. She is far from being a threat to Türkiye militarily. Only Lebanon or Syria may be disturbed. And it is unlikely that bankrupt Greece will be after any bases in tiny Greece nowadays.

Well then, if Greece is not a threat, then why don't you invade a Greek island or 2 so that we can see how good you are against a nation that is armed to its teeth? Go On!

41 Greece $ 32,100 2009 est.
99 Turkey $ 11,200 2009 est.

If Greece is bankrupt, then what does that make Turkey?

You don't watch any international news channels in south cyprus? Greece is making headlines for nearly 2 months for manipulating economic figures and they are in deep crisis. By the way Türkiye is world's 16th biggest economy and last time I checked Greece was not among the top 15.
I voted NAI for Greek bases in south cyprus. After all, Cyprus is a Turko-Greek island. They have every right to be there. Long live Turkish-Greek brotherhood.

If Turkey is the 16th biggest economy, only due to the fact it is a large market of some 70 million people, then why is Turkey's GDP per capita only 1/3 of Greece's?

If it were not for the fact that Turkey is occupying Cyprus illegally, then we may have started a charity fund raising for Turkey on this forum, to help feed a a few starving Turks!

Why don't you withdraw from Cyprus so that we can send you some urgently needed food and blankets?

[kafenes]

I voted NO, because I suipport a military free Cyprus!

[kurupetos]

Replace "Greece" with "Russia".

[runaway]

Greece is welcome to have as many bases in south cyprus as she wishes. She is far from being a threat to Türkiye militarily. Only Lebanon or Syria may be disturbed. And it is unlikely that bankrupt Greece will be after any bases in tiny Greece nowadays.

Well then, if Greece is not a threat, then why don't you invade a Greek island or 2 so that we can see how good you are against a nation that is armed to its teeth? Go On!

41 Greece $ 32,100 2009 est.
99 Turkey $ 11,200 2009 est.

If Greece is bankrupt, then what does that make Turkey?

You don't watch any international news channels in south cyprus? Greece is making headlines for nearly 2 months for manipulating economic figures and they are in deep crisis. By the way Türkiye is world's 16th biggest economy and last time I checked Greece was not among the top 15.
I voted NAI for Greek bases in south cyprus. After all, Cyprus is a Turko-Greek island. They have every right to be there. Long live Turkish-Greek brotherhood.

If Turkey is the 16th biggest economy, only due to the fact it is a large market of some 70 million people, then why is Turkey's GDP per capita only 1/3 of Greece's?

If it were not for the fact that Turkey is occupying Cyprus illegally, then we may have started a charity fund raising for Turkey on this forum, to help feed a a few starving Turks!

Why don't you withdraw from Cyprus so that we can send you some urgently needed food and blankets?

Being a big economy is not just about having a large market. But of course what would a south cypriot know about it?

Mama Greece has no industry. You can only market your sun,sea and sand. Even in that one you've fallen behind. I remember Greece having a bigger tourism industry in 90s. 2009 figures say Türkiye attracts 26 million tourists and Greece only 16 m. Export your south cypriot donkeys to Greece and let's all pray for bankrupt(and corrupt) Greece to improve.

[Gasman]

I would have thought, that Greece should be obligated to station 40,000 to 50,000 troops on Cyprus

You'd want to live in a place that resembles the TRNC? With Army bases and armed soldiers visible everywhere? Where you cannot drive far without coming up against intimidating 'Forbidden Territory' signs?

I wouldn't.

The impression I get is that RoC keeps their military blended in with the countryside and not 'in your face'. But that the TRNC do just the opposite.

They have huge army camps butting up against and almost adjoining hotels and holiday complexes over there and they way they 'decorate' them makes it impossible for you not to notice them.