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[Kikapu]

An article by Turgut Afşaroğlu that first appeared in Afrika on 5 January 2009 [my translation]:

Lord, what a stupid, what a wretched community we are. It is probably impossible to find another community on this globe that fears the law as much as we do. Persistently and stubbornly we move outside international law, and at the same time are afraid.
***
International law says: - An international agreement, for example the 1960 Cyprus Agreements, retains its validity until a new one is concluded in its place. What did we do after 1974? We imagined that the Republic of Cyprus did not exist. Pushing to one side the fact that the guarantors’ sole right was to restore the broken-down Constitutional order, we abandoned our rights in the Republic of Cyprus. Denktash was elected Republic of Cyprus Vice-President in 1973. He had the right to continue in this capacity until 1978. However, no sooner had the TCFS been founded in 1975 than he abandoned this post. It is unclear whom he asked, from whom he obtained authority. If he had remained in this post until the end, he would have been able to veto the Republic of Cyprus’s unilateral EU entry and the Greek Cypriot side would have been unable to accede to the EU on its own.
***
International law says: - According to the Geneva Convention, moving people to a territory that has been taken by armed force, and granting them citizenship, is a crime. What did we do? First, in the name of agricultural labour we moved people from Turkey, then we gave them citizenship and the right to vote. What was the result? Turkish Cypriots have been turned into a minority in their own region and have been deprived of their political will. The elected have become Ankara’s puppets.
***
International law says: - You cannot hand out title deeds as you wish for land or property that has been taken with armed force, as though it belonged to you. What did we do? We issued title deeds not only to Turkish Cypriots coming from the south, but also to Turks coming from the north. At this point, let me remind you: until the 1985 TRNC Constitution was adopted, only Usage Certificates were issued rather than title deeds. This was because we opposition Founding Assembly members at the time saw to it that, in accordance with international law, an article was placed in the 1975 TCFS Constitution: - Regardless of any other provision in this Constitution, immovable property abandoned by Greek Cypriots may not be transferred to any natural or corporate person. This article was removed from the 1985 TRNC Constitution and the mad rush to issue title deeds ensued.
***
First the Loizidou case, then the Aresti and Turkish Bank suits came in quick succession. We have lost all of these suits. You should be in no doubt that the Orams case will also result in our defeat. So what needs to be done? Initially, as Barış Mamalı has said, it is necessary to pay compensation immediately in the Orams case, without awaiting the European Court of Justice judgment and without leaving the English courts to deliberate on the matter. It is then necessary to start similar actions to the Orams case concerning construction without permission on Turkish Cypriot land in South Cyprus. Let me immediately pass on a piece of information: the Greek Cypriot side has not been outdone by us. Construction has taken place on a total of 8357 Turkish Cypriot plots without obtaining permission from the Turkish Cypriot owner. Not only the Orams case, but also suits like the Loizidou, Aresti and Turkish bank suits, create precedents for us. And in these matters we can file countersuits. It is like we said! Turks are afraid of the law.

Yes, thanks for above Tim.

Liked to have seen some more info on the alleged matter of construction on 8357 tissy properties, but leaving that aside.......

Reminds us that "The Law" is seen by some as some sort of sword (perhaps a double-edged one), another weapon for each side to bash the other with, in the traditional CY Way, whereas really suggest we look at The Law as a great leveller for all CYs, in so many aspects of our little misunderstandng. Something that is applied equally and fairly and equitably and justly to all. Think that is how Mr C (if he'll forgive the presumption) would perhaps see it.

So what happened to the law that was supposed to stop GCs building on TC land. Over 8000 you say, now that is interesting. Of course the south is very law abiding, isn't it boys and other.

As long as the RoC used the legal method of Eminent Domain in confiscating any land, TCs or GCs and that market value was paid at the time of the takeover to build public projects, there's nothing illegal or immoral about it. Any TC finds their land has been built on for Public Projects, should have money sitting somewhere for them to collect in due time. The only problem is, and this is the negative aspect of the Eminent Domain law when it comes to the TCs is, that, if the RoC took over the TC land say 10 years ago, the TC owner would only get what the land was worth 10 years ago and not what it would have been worth when the TC owner gets his hands on his money for his land. The longer the conflict continues, the more the TCs will lose in money and their land in the south, legally. After so many years gone by without a settlement, the TCs may not have any land to return to in the south and that the “trnc” won’t have anything to trade with as far as how much GC land they should agree on to keep in the north in exchange. The “trnc” discourages any TC from selling their land in the south, but the longer this conflict continues, the TC land may well be bought by the RoC through the legal Eminent Domain Laws.

On the other hand, since the north does not have a legal government and that it is under occupation by a foreign power, all the GC land values will be current when ever they are sold, just because even if public projects were built on GC land, they were done so without proper authorization from legal entity, therefore the whole project would deem illegal and can be ordered to be knocked down by the owner, hence the Orams case, if and when he gets the chance to return back to his property. There's no substitution for legal entities. This is what the north lacks and is the reason why the whole north has become a "quicksand" to build anything on it, just because they can never have a sound foundations, just because it lacks legalities, which are basic foundations to any society and institutions no matter how much you want to dismiss them, just because the TA is in the north, therefore you want to use might over legalities. The Orams case has demonstrated that the TA is useless when it comes to preventing the usage of the laws of the land and International Laws on the property issues in particular.

[YFred]

An article by Turgut Afşaroğlu that first appeared in Afrika on 5 January 2009 [my translation]:

Lord, what a stupid, what a wretched community we are. It is probably impossible to find another community on this globe that fears the law as much as we do. Persistently and stubbornly we move outside international law, and at the same time are afraid.
***
International law says: - An international agreement, for example the 1960 Cyprus Agreements, retains its validity until a new one is concluded in its place. What did we do after 1974? We imagined that the Republic of Cyprus did not exist. Pushing to one side the fact that the guarantors’ sole right was to restore the broken-down Constitutional order, we abandoned our rights in the Republic of Cyprus. Denktash was elected Republic of Cyprus Vice-President in 1973. He had the right to continue in this capacity until 1978. However, no sooner had the TCFS been founded in 1975 than he abandoned this post. It is unclear whom he asked, from whom he obtained authority. If he had remained in this post until the end, he would have been able to veto the Republic of Cyprus’s unilateral EU entry and the Greek Cypriot side would have been unable to accede to the EU on its own.
***
International law says: - According to the Geneva Convention, moving people to a territory that has been taken by armed force, and granting them citizenship, is a crime. What did we do? First, in the name of agricultural labour we moved people from Turkey, then we gave them citizenship and the right to vote. What was the result? Turkish Cypriots have been turned into a minority in their own region and have been deprived of their political will. The elected have become Ankara’s puppets.
***
International law says: - You cannot hand out title deeds as you wish for land or property that has been taken with armed force, as though it belonged to you. What did we do? We issued title deeds not only to Turkish Cypriots coming from the south, but also to Turks coming from the north. At this point, let me remind you: until the 1985 TRNC Constitution was adopted, only Usage Certificates were issued rather than title deeds. This was because we opposition Founding Assembly members at the time saw to it that, in accordance with international law, an article was placed in the 1975 TCFS Constitution: - Regardless of any other provision in this Constitution, immovable property abandoned by Greek Cypriots may not be transferred to any natural or corporate person. This article was removed from the 1985 TRNC Constitution and the mad rush to issue title deeds ensued.
***
First the Loizidou case, then the Aresti and Turkish Bank suits came in quick succession. We have lost all of these suits. You should be in no doubt that the Orams case will also result in our defeat. So what needs to be done? Initially, as Barış Mamalı has said, it is necessary to pay compensation immediately in the Orams case, without awaiting the European Court of Justice judgment and without leaving the English courts to deliberate on the matter. It is then necessary to start similar actions to the Orams case concerning construction without permission on Turkish Cypriot land in South Cyprus. Let me immediately pass on a piece of information: the Greek Cypriot side has not been outdone by us. Construction has taken place on a total of 8357 Turkish Cypriot plots without obtaining permission from the Turkish Cypriot owner. Not only the Orams case, but also suits like the Loizidou, Aresti and Turkish bank suits, create precedents for us. And in these matters we can file countersuits. It is like we said! Turks are afraid of the law.

Yes, thanks for above Tim.

Liked to have seen some more info on the alleged matter of construction on 8357 tissy properties, but leaving that aside.......

Reminds us that "The Law" is seen by some as some sort of sword (perhaps a double-edged one), another weapon for each side to bash the other with, in the traditional CY Way, whereas really suggest we look at The Law as a great leveller for all CYs, in so many aspects of our little misunderstandng. Something that is applied equally and fairly and equitably and justly to all. Think that is how Mr C (if he'll forgive the presumption) would perhaps see it.

So what happened to the law that was supposed to stop GCs building on TC land. Over 8000 you say, now that is interesting. Of course the south is very law abiding, isn't it boys and other.

As long as the RoC used the legal method of Eminent Domain in confiscating any land, TCs or GCs and that market value was paid at the time of the takeover to build public projects, there's nothing illegal or immoral about it. Any TC finds their land has been built on for Public Projects, should have money sitting somewhere for them to collect in due time. The only problem is, and this is the negative aspect of the Eminent Domain law when it comes to the TCs is, that, if the RoC took over the TC land say 10 years ago, the TC owner would only get what the land was worth 10 years ago and not what it would have been worth when the TC owner gets his hands on his money for his land. The longer the conflict continues, the more the TCs will lose in money and their land in the south, legally. After so many years gone by without a settlement, the TCs may not have any land to return to in the south and that the “trnc” won’t have anything to trade with as far as how much GC land they should agree on to keep in the north in exchange. The “trnc” discourages any TC from selling their land in the south, but the longer this conflict continues, the TC land may well be bought by the RoC through the legal Eminent Domain Laws.

On the other hand, since the north does not have a legal government and that it is under occupation by a foreign power, all the GC land values will be current when ever they are sold, just because even if public projects were built on GC land, they were done so without proper authorization from legal entity, therefore the whole project would deem illegal and can be ordered to be knocked down by the owner, hence the Orams case, if and when he gets the chance to return back to his property. There's no substitution for legal entities. This is what the north lacks and is the reason why the whole north has become a "quicksand" to build anything on it, just because they can never have a sound foundations, just because it lacks legalities, which are basic foundations to any society and institutions no matter how much you want to dismiss them, just because the TA is in the north, therefore you want to use might over legalities. The Orams case has demonstrated that the TA is useless when it comes to preventing the usage of the laws of the land and International Laws on the property issues in particular.

We do not have enough info on this matter. They are keeping it close to their chest. I suspect this is all illegal building without government approval. After all, it was against the law to build on TC property. This lot seems to be outside of what you are referring to. What is interesting is you assume and run to the GCs aid without checking the facts. That speaks volumes about your mentality.

[Kikapu]

An article by Turgut Afşaroğlu that first appeared in Afrika on 5 January 2009 [my translation]:

Lord, what a stupid, what a wretched community we are. It is probably impossible to find another community on this globe that fears the law as much as we do. Persistently and stubbornly we move outside international law, and at the same time are afraid.
***
International law says: - An international agreement, for example the 1960 Cyprus Agreements, retains its validity until a new one is concluded in its place. What did we do after 1974? We imagined that the Republic of Cyprus did not exist. Pushing to one side the fact that the guarantors’ sole right was to restore the broken-down Constitutional order, we abandoned our rights in the Republic of Cyprus. Denktash was elected Republic of Cyprus Vice-President in 1973. He had the right to continue in this capacity until 1978. However, no sooner had the TCFS been founded in 1975 than he abandoned this post. It is unclear whom he asked, from whom he obtained authority. If he had remained in this post until the end, he would have been able to veto the Republic of Cyprus’s unilateral EU entry and the Greek Cypriot side would have been unable to accede to the EU on its own.
***
International law says: - According to the Geneva Convention, moving people to a territory that has been taken by armed force, and granting them citizenship, is a crime. What did we do? First, in the name of agricultural labour we moved people from Turkey, then we gave them citizenship and the right to vote. What was the result? Turkish Cypriots have been turned into a minority in their own region and have been deprived of their political will. The elected have become Ankara’s puppets.
***
International law says: - You cannot hand out title deeds as you wish for land or property that has been taken with armed force, as though it belonged to you. What did we do? We issued title deeds not only to Turkish Cypriots coming from the south, but also to Turks coming from the north. At this point, let me remind you: until the 1985 TRNC Constitution was adopted, only Usage Certificates were issued rather than title deeds. This was because we opposition Founding Assembly members at the time saw to it that, in accordance with international law, an article was placed in the 1975 TCFS Constitution: - Regardless of any other provision in this Constitution, immovable property abandoned by Greek Cypriots may not be transferred to any natural or corporate person. This article was removed from the 1985 TRNC Constitution and the mad rush to issue title deeds ensued.
***
First the Loizidou case, then the Aresti and Turkish Bank suits came in quick succession. We have lost all of these suits. You should be in no doubt that the Orams case will also result in our defeat. So what needs to be done? Initially, as Barış Mamalı has said, it is necessary to pay compensation immediately in the Orams case, without awaiting the European Court of Justice judgment and without leaving the English courts to deliberate on the matter. It is then necessary to start similar actions to the Orams case concerning construction without permission on Turkish Cypriot land in South Cyprus. Let me immediately pass on a piece of information: the Greek Cypriot side has not been outdone by us. Construction has taken place on a total of 8357 Turkish Cypriot plots without obtaining permission from the Turkish Cypriot owner. Not only the Orams case, but also suits like the Loizidou, Aresti and Turkish bank suits, create precedents for us. And in these matters we can file countersuits. It is like we said! Turks are afraid of the law.

Yes, thanks for above Tim.

Liked to have seen some more info on the alleged matter of construction on 8357 tissy properties, but leaving that aside.......

Reminds us that "The Law" is seen by some as some sort of sword (perhaps a double-edged one), another weapon for each side to bash the other with, in the traditional CY Way, whereas really suggest we look at The Law as a great leveller for all CYs, in so many aspects of our little misunderstandng. Something that is applied equally and fairly and equitably and justly to all. Think that is how Mr C (if he'll forgive the presumption) would perhaps see it.

So what happened to the law that was supposed to stop GCs building on TC land. Over 8000 you say, now that is interesting. Of course the south is very law abiding, isn't it boys and other.

As long as the RoC used the legal method of Eminent Domain in confiscating any land, TCs or GCs and that market value was paid at the time of the takeover to build public projects, there's nothing illegal or immoral about it. Any TC finds their land has been built on for Public Projects, should have money sitting somewhere for them to collect in due time. The only problem is, and this is the negative aspect of the Eminent Domain law when it comes to the TCs is, that, if the RoC took over the TC land say 10 years ago, the TC owner would only get what the land was worth 10 years ago and not what it would have been worth when the TC owner gets his hands on his money for his land. The longer the conflict continues, the more the TCs will lose in money and their land in the south, legally. After so many years gone by without a settlement, the TCs may not have any land to return to in the south and that the “trnc” won’t have anything to trade with as far as how much GC land they should agree on to keep in the north in exchange. The “trnc” discourages any TC from selling their land in the south, but the longer this conflict continues, the TC land may well be bought by the RoC through the legal Eminent Domain Laws.

On the other hand, since the north does not have a legal government and that it is under occupation by a foreign power, all the GC land values will be current when ever they are sold, just because even if public projects were built on GC land, they were done so without proper authorization from legal entity, therefore the whole project would deem illegal and can be ordered to be knocked down by the owner, hence the Orams case, if and when he gets the chance to return back to his property. There's no substitution for legal entities. This is what the north lacks and is the reason why the whole north has become a "quicksand" to build anything on it, just because they can never have a sound foundations, just because it lacks legalities, which are basic foundations to any society and institutions no matter how much you want to dismiss them, just because the TA is in the north, therefore you want to use might over legalities. The Orams case has demonstrated that the TA is useless when it comes to preventing the usage of the laws of the land and International Laws on the property issues in particular.

We do not have enough info on this matter. They are keeping it close to their chest. I suspect this is all illegal building without government approval. After all, it was against the law to build on TC property. This lot seems to be outside of what you are referring to. What is interesting is you assume and run to the GCs aid without checking the facts. That speaks volumes about your mentality.

No, I'm just giving you what a legal government like the RoC can do and what a non legal government, like the "trnc" can't do. I was not talking about any illegal acts by any GC on TC land, because we do not have any information that any illegalities has taken place, other than your simple minded conjecture that a) that these TC land was used illegally, and b) that if it was used, that it couldn’t have possibly been with Eminent Domain. All we have is what Tim provided in what some individual said which we do not know whether it is a fact or not, which you have assumed that it is a fact and that it is outside the legal Eminent Domain procedures. All we have is this person saying the following "Construction has taken place on a total of 8357 Turkish Cypriot plots without obtaining permission from the Turkish Cypriot owner."

Since when do people who steal others land require a “permission” from the original owner anyway.? Has any permission sought by the “trnc” to build on stolen GC land.? I don’t think so, so the fact that the person states that no permission was sought, sounds to me like he was talking about the RoC who had not sought permission rather than the GCs whom you think built on TC land illegally. Granted, RoC would not need permission either under Eminent Domain rules, but they would ask for one to at least offer to buy the property from the TC owner under normal condition all the same, which now it is not possible to do such a thing. It is a meaningless statement without further information given by the person making the statement and you automatically assume the worse, just because you are use to it being the norm in the north with the GCs properties..

Now, do you want me to talk about the state of your mentality for jumping in the “deep end of the pool” when you can't swim.!

[Tim Drayton]

I am prepared to keep an open mind on the question of whether some Turkish Cypriot property rights in the south have been infringed on. All I would say is that now judgments like those obtained by Apostolides and the settlement obtained by Sofi have set clear precedents, it is up to others who claim that their rights have been abused to take similar action.

[boulio]

i think that its great for both apostolides and for Sofi to get there properties and rights back,but what do the t/c think/when you ask them property should be solved politicaly thru a solution instead of legally based on ownership rights,human rights etc.

[Get Real!]

Give my regards to Mr Candointheorams when you next see him Bill…

[Kifeas]

An article by Turgut Afşaroğlu that first appeared in Afrika on 5 January 2009 [my translation]:

Lord, what a stupid, what a wretched community we are. It is probably impossible to find another community on this globe that fears the law as much as we do. Persistently and stubbornly we move outside international law, and at the same time are afraid.
***
International law says: - An international agreement, for example the 1960 Cyprus Agreements, retains its validity until a new one is concluded in its place. What did we do after 1974? We imagined that the Republic of Cyprus did not exist. Pushing to one side the fact that the guarantors’ sole right was to restore the broken-down Constitutional order, we abandoned our rights in the Republic of Cyprus. Denktash was elected Republic of Cyprus Vice-President in 1973. He had the right to continue in this capacity until 1978. However, no sooner had the TCFS been founded in 1975 than he abandoned this post. It is unclear whom he asked, from whom he obtained authority. If he had remained in this post until the end, he would have been able to veto the Republic of Cyprus’s unilateral EU entry and the Greek Cypriot side would have been unable to accede to the EU on its own.
***
International law says: - According to the Geneva Convention, moving people to a territory that has been taken by armed force, and granting them citizenship, is a crime. What did we do? First, in the name of agricultural labour we moved people from Turkey, then we gave them citizenship and the right to vote. What was the result? Turkish Cypriots have been turned into a minority in their own region and have been deprived of their political will. The elected have become Ankara’s puppets.
***
International law says: - You cannot hand out title deeds as you wish for land or property that has been taken with armed force, as though it belonged to you. What did we do? We issued title deeds not only to Turkish Cypriots coming from the south, but also to Turks coming from the north. At this point, let me remind you: until the 1985 TRNC Constitution was adopted, only Usage Certificates were issued rather than title deeds. This was because we opposition Founding Assembly members at the time saw to it that, in accordance with international law, an article was placed in the 1975 TCFS Constitution: - Regardless of any other provision in this Constitution, immovable property abandoned by Greek Cypriots may not be transferred to any natural or corporate person. This article was removed from the 1985 TRNC Constitution and the mad rush to issue title deeds ensued.
***
First the Loizidou case, then the Aresti and Turkish Bank suits came in quick succession. We have lost all of these suits. You should be in no doubt that the Orams case will also result in our defeat. So what needs to be done? Initially, as Barış Mamalı has said, it is necessary to pay compensation immediately in the Orams case, without awaiting the European Court of Justice judgment and without leaving the English courts to deliberate on the matter. It is then necessary to start similar actions to the Orams case concerning construction without permission on Turkish Cypriot land in South Cyprus. Let me immediately pass on a piece of information: the Greek Cypriot side has not been outdone by us. Construction has taken place on a total of 8357 Turkish Cypriot plots without obtaining permission from the Turkish Cypriot owner. Not only the Orams case, but also suits like the Loizidou, Aresti and Turkish bank suits, create precedents for us. And in these matters we can file countersuits. It is like we said! Turks are afraid of the law.

For the record, the above claim regarding 8357 TC plots being constructed on in the south, is inaccurate. In reality, we are talking about 8357 apartments in refuge settlement complexes, which means that the number of plots /donums involved are much less than the number of residence apartments quoted. Perhaps down to 1/4 or 1/5 of the number. Considering that the number of donums of TC owned property in the south is around 550,000 donums (1 donum is roughly the size of 2 plots or 1338 sq.m,) the 1-2 thousand donums used for housing refugees represent only the 0.2% -0.3% of the TC owned land in the south. Such a low percentage makes the issue the exception rather than the rule, when it comes to the usage of TC property in the south by the RoC.

[YFred]

An article by Turgut Afşaroğlu that first appeared in Afrika on 5 January 2009 [my translation]:

Lord, what a stupid, what a wretched community we are. It is probably impossible to find another community on this globe that fears the law as much as we do. Persistently and stubbornly we move outside international law, and at the same time are afraid.
***
International law says: - An international agreement, for example the 1960 Cyprus Agreements, retains its validity until a new one is concluded in its place. What did we do after 1974? We imagined that the Republic of Cyprus did not exist. Pushing to one side the fact that the guarantors’ sole right was to restore the broken-down Constitutional order, we abandoned our rights in the Republic of Cyprus. Denktash was elected Republic of Cyprus Vice-President in 1973. He had the right to continue in this capacity until 1978. However, no sooner had the TCFS been founded in 1975 than he abandoned this post. It is unclear whom he asked, from whom he obtained authority. If he had remained in this post until the end, he would have been able to veto the Republic of Cyprus’s unilateral EU entry and the Greek Cypriot side would have been unable to accede to the EU on its own.
***
International law says: - According to the Geneva Convention, moving people to a territory that has been taken by armed force, and granting them citizenship, is a crime. What did we do? First, in the name of agricultural labour we moved people from Turkey, then we gave them citizenship and the right to vote. What was the result? Turkish Cypriots have been turned into a minority in their own region and have been deprived of their political will. The elected have become Ankara’s puppets.
***
International law says: - You cannot hand out title deeds as you wish for land or property that has been taken with armed force, as though it belonged to you. What did we do? We issued title deeds not only to Turkish Cypriots coming from the south, but also to Turks coming from the north. At this point, let me remind you: until the 1985 TRNC Constitution was adopted, only Usage Certificates were issued rather than title deeds. This was because we opposition Founding Assembly members at the time saw to it that, in accordance with international law, an article was placed in the 1975 TCFS Constitution: - Regardless of any other provision in this Constitution, immovable property abandoned by Greek Cypriots may not be transferred to any natural or corporate person. This article was removed from the 1985 TRNC Constitution and the mad rush to issue title deeds ensued.
***
First the Loizidou case, then the Aresti and Turkish Bank suits came in quick succession. We have lost all of these suits. You should be in no doubt that the Orams case will also result in our defeat. So what needs to be done? Initially, as Barış Mamalı has said, it is necessary to pay compensation immediately in the Orams case, without awaiting the European Court of Justice judgment and without leaving the English courts to deliberate on the matter. It is then necessary to start similar actions to the Orams case concerning construction without permission on Turkish Cypriot land in South Cyprus. Let me immediately pass on a piece of information: the Greek Cypriot side has not been outdone by us. Construction has taken place on a total of 8357 Turkish Cypriot plots without obtaining permission from the Turkish Cypriot owner. Not only the Orams case, but also suits like the Loizidou, Aresti and Turkish bank suits, create precedents for us. And in these matters we can file countersuits. It is like we said! Turks are afraid of the law.

For the record, the above claim regarding 8357 TC plots being constructed on in the south, is inaccurate. In reality, we are talking about 8357 apartments in refuge settlement complexes, which means that the number of plots /donums involved are much less than the number of residence apartments quoted. Perhaps down to 1/4 or 1/5 of the number. Considering that the number of donums of TC owned property in the south is around 550,000 donums (1 donum is roughly the size of 2 plots or 1338 sq.m,) the 1-2 thousand donums used for housing refugees represent only the 0.2% -0.3% of the TC owned land in the south. Such a low percentage makes the issue the exception rather than the rule, when it comes to the usage of TC property in the south by the RoC.

The actual volume is not that relevant. Were these properties built by private individuals or government. How did they get planning permission when it was against the law to build. Was the land ever requisitioned by the government or not?