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Proposal : Cyprus Forum Truth Commission

Postby GreekForumer » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:24 pm

What's stopping us, the forum members, from having our own truth commission right here on Cyprus Forum ?

Here is my vision - very basic, basic, basic draft #1.


Cyprus Forum Truth Commission proposal

Purpose
1. To rule statements and claims as true, false, probably true, probably false or undetermined.
2. To create generalised standards for credibility that are universally applied to all claims.

Composition
Create 2 groups of commissioners. One GC group and one TC group of 3 or 5 or 7 members each. For voting reasons, the number of members of each group should be an odd number. Let GCs decide for themselves who should be on the GC group. Likewise, let TCs decide for themselves who should be on the TC group. Let each group decide for themselves their voting rules, eg unanimous or majority voting.

Procedure
Anyone on the forum can make any statement or claim which they believe is the truth and ask the commission to rule accordingly. The number of rulings a member can ask for must be limited because of resources, etc. If both groups do not assign the same "truth value" (e.g. "probably false") then the statement or claim is deemed as "undetermined". None of the rulings are etched in stone. Commissioners can reignite the debate and call for rulings anytime.

Documentation
Under the "Cyprus Problem" subforum, create a sub forum called "Cyprus Forum Truth Commission". Only the mods and commissioners are to have editing access to this subforum.
Within the "Cyprus Forum Truth Commission" subforum create the following subforums.
"The truths"
"The falsehoods"
"The probable truths"
"The probable falsehoods"
"The undetermined"
The statements or claims that have been ruled upon by the commission shall be allocated their own thread within the appropriate subforum.

Or maybe a Wiki is the way to go instead of subforums and threads ?

Duties
If a forum member makes a claim in contradiction to a previous ruling then it is the duty of the same ethnic group in the commission to make sure the forum member is made aware of this.


This "Truth Commission" will explicitly show everybody visiting this forum what we agree on, what we disagree on. We will have an "official record" so we don't have to keep reinventing the wheel or rehashing resolved issues.
Anything goes! No matter how trivial! We are only limited by the number of Commissioners and how much time they have to spare. And no need for 100 page written judgements either. Just a simple vote from both groups.

I can foresee that there will be a large number of "undetermined" rulings but that's OK. What will be most interesting are the logical inferences coming from the "true" and "false" rulings.

I hope I have given you guys a glimpse of my vision. I'll follow up later with some examples and maybe we can use this thread to evolve the basic concept.

Your thoughts or questions ?
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:08 pm

I think rating the claims some forumers make is an excellent idea. :D

Critically analysing various incidences which are used to justify the occupation would stop a lot of circumlocution and frustrated personal accusations between forumers.

I take it you're suggesting we pick a topic and everyone/anyone can post their most significant evidence and source on which they base their beliefs.

When the topic is exhausted, then the panel of equal numbers TC and GC (and a few Brits perhaps) can sift the evidence with your above guidelines.

This would take GR!'s "credible evidence" criterion one step further (towards being more democratic).

Sounds great, GreekForumer, and can only improve the atmosphere and quality of posts. :D
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:24 pm

I will be in this as long as it doesnt turn into who can google best,or end up in fights regarding whose source is more reliable or credible...My other prerequisit would be that we refrain from official propaganda,so as not to end up in the same mess we often find ourselves.

I also think we will need strict guidelines and a way of enforcing them...
For example no personal abuse or insults will be allowed...Also we could outlaw people making blanket statements or overgeneralisations like "That is a lie" or " you are wrong this is how it all happened " etc...

People who will take part in these proceedings will need to agree on these rules first...We need to think of appropriate punishment for those found to be "in contempt of the Commission"...These are my intial responses. I will think of other points later...Thanks GF for coming up with a constructive suggestion,if nothing else this might improve the quality and the sensitivity of our interactions on this Forum... 8)
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Postby GreekForumer » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:50 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:I will be in this as long as it doesnt turn into who can google best,or end up in fights regarding whose source is more reliable or credible...My other prerequisit would be that we refrain from official propaganda,so as not to end up in the same mess we often find ourselves.


Bir,
I think the first thing we should do is create some "truth" standards. I for one, am happy with simple corroboration. But I am not happy with British corroboration of Turkish/TC claims because they were both enemies of GCs and collusion between the two is highly likely.

I'm OK with the UN corroborating TC claims.

I also believe that logic should override corroboration so claims like "Milti and GR both say that they saw pigs flying over Paphos!" don't pass. (Yes, I know Milti and GR may have been telling the truth under some conditions :wink: )

I think you get the idea. Let's formulate the standards.

I foresee the forum's resident linguist called in to settle disputes over definitions :idea:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:25 pm

GreekForumer,

This is a good idea but it requires the admin's cooperation for creating those subforums. I don't see it coming... Then we have the problem of the commissioners. I doubt you can find 7 (?) people from each side impartial enough, let alone willing to undertake the job, to vote.
Besides do you think that will stop people popping in and starting from the beginning as it always happens here?

NB. besides there's the vast majority in here who just enjoy their slander competition....
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Postby GreekForumer » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:26 pm

GreekForumer wrote:But I am not happy with British corroboration of Turkish/TC claims because they were both enemies of GCs and collusion between the two is highly likely.


I was going to say that I was willing to accept TC claims if they are corroborated by at least 2 independent British sources but ..........




................it's the British we are talking about!

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Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:12 pm

GreekForumer wrote:
GreekForumer wrote:But I am not happy with British corroboration of Turkish/TC claims because they were both enemies of GCs and collusion between the two is highly likely.


I was going to say that I was willing to accept TC claims if they are corroborated by at least 2 independent British sources but ..........

................it's the British we are talking about!

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I think if it weren’t for the US entering WWII, the British would be chanting “Zeig Heil” to this day! :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:18 pm

As for the truth commission… what do you think I’ve tried to do with my website? All the issues that preoccupied us one or two years ago I’ve covered with credible evidence. If they have new issues/topics they want covered, let’s have a list!
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:40 pm

Get Real! wrote:As for the truth commission… what do you think I’ve tried to do with my website? All the issues that preoccupied us one or two years ago I’ve covered with credible evidence. If they have new issues/topics they want covered, let’s have a list!


It would make your website more credible if the links/sources were scrutinised independently and democratically.
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Postby YFred » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:46 pm

Get Real! wrote:
GreekForumer wrote:
GreekForumer wrote:But I am not happy with British corroboration of Turkish/TC claims because they were both enemies of GCs and collusion between the two is highly likely.


I was going to say that I was willing to accept TC claims if they are corroborated by at least 2 independent British sources but ..........

................it's the British we are talking about!

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I think if it weren’t for the US entering WWII, the British would be chanting “Zeig Heil” to this day! :lol:
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This statement is the most stupid to date from you. Considering the All the allied forces in the west were fighting 4 German divisions and the Russians were fighting 150 division, you may get nearer to the truth if yoy just though a bit before posting. In fact the cold weather did the most damage to the German military. At least try to get near the truth dear boy.
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