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[Oracle]

I have a couple of questions?

do you guys think that the church in south is against any reasonably attainable solution?

and if so why?

There is nothing to believe. The church has made it's position clear. Anybody who votes yes to peace is destined for hell. hat other information do you need to come to the correct conclusion.

Just wanted to see what the GC thought?

What does the church have to lose?

Hellenising the whole island. They want it all.

Is this still their position?

No, it's YFred's position.

What do you think their position is?

The church believes the biggest compromise has already been made by accepting the BBF. Anything further is equal to ethnic suicide.

There is logic there. WHen the islands majority has already accepted the BBF's restrictions (especially those of Bi-zonality) then no one should expect the GC's to show anymore compromise than what's already been given.

2 "ethnically" clean zones is racist and is one of the proposals the church is against, as is rotating presidency and any settlers (recognised by the UN as a war crime) remaining.

So far we've already accepted rotating presidency, already accepted the 2 ethnic zones and have already accepted 50,000 settlers remaining. We now have only to accept turkey's demand for split FIR and for citizenship granted to any turkish citizen that wishes it and Bob's your uncle, we got a solution.

All pretty meaningless, as in Jerry Maguire, "they lost most of us at rotating presidency."

p.s not a huge fan of the church but can't see me disagreeing with any of their points.

When you say 'You have accepted" what do you mean? when did you accept this? Who accepted this?

How does the Church know what is being talked about and agreed in negotiations?

President Christofias has not only accepted but in fact proposed himself rotating presidency and 50,000 settlers remaining as a gesture of good will at the start of the talks.

Talat responded by flying to turkey and coming back with a demand for seprate FIR's.

In other words, nothing is agreed and President Christofias is merely exposing the Turks (Ankara) for what they truly are ... greedy expansionists!

[DT.]

I have a couple of questions?

do you guys think that the church in south is against any reasonably attainable solution?

and if so why?

There is nothing to believe. The church has made it's position clear. Anybody who votes yes to peace is destined for hell. hat other information do you need to come to the correct conclusion.

Just wanted to see what the GC thought?

What does the church have to lose?

Hellenising the whole island. They want it all.

Is this still their position?

No, it's YFred's position.

What do you think their position is?

The church believes the biggest compromise has already been made by accepting the BBF. Anything further is equal to ethnic suicide.

There is logic there. WHen the islands majority has already accepted the BBF's restrictions (especially those of Bi-zonality) then no one should expect the GC's to show anymore compromise than what's already been given.

2 "ethnically" clean zones is racist and is one of the proposals the church is against, as is rotating presidency and any settlers (recognised by the UN as a war crime) remaining.

So far we've already accepted rotating presidency, already accepted the 2 ethnic zones and have already accepted 50,000 settlers remaining. We now have only to accept turkey's demand for split FIR and for citizenship granted to any turkish citizen that wishes it and Bob's your uncle, we got a solution.

All pretty meaningless, as in Jerry Maguire, "they lost most of us at rotating presidency."

p.s not a huge fan of the church but can't see me disagreeing with any of their points.

When you say 'You have accepted" what do you mean? when did you accept this? Who accepted this?

How does the Church know what is being talked about and agreed in negotiations?

President Christofias has not only accepted but in fact proposed himself rotating presidency and 50,000 settlers remaining as a gesture of good will at the start of the talks.

Talat responded by flying to turkey and coming back with a demand for seprate FIR's.

In other words, nothing is agreed and President Christofias is merely exposing the Turks (Ankara) for what they truly are ... greedy expansionists!

Well this is the only positive of the entire process. Both leaders have agreed that nothing is considered an agreement until the entire matter is agreed. So these "gifts" by the President will be deemed null and void if an overall settlement is not accomplished.

I believe a new thread needs to be established to show exactly the efforts and compromise that the GC side has demonstrated in these talks and the usual steps backwards that have been taken by the turkish side.

The comparison is remarkable and I can't believe some of the TC's here haven't gone into hiding in the shame that their true face has been shown and that no compromise will ever be acceptbale to the Turkish side.

[boulio]

turkish meaning of comprimise=capitulation

[Oracle]

I have a couple of questions?

do you guys think that the church in south is against any reasonably attainable solution?

and if so why?

There is nothing to believe. The church has made it's position clear. Anybody who votes yes to peace is destined for hell. hat other information do you need to come to the correct conclusion.

Just wanted to see what the GC thought?

What does the church have to lose?

Hellenising the whole island. They want it all.

Is this still their position?

No, it's YFred's position.

What do you think their position is?

The church believes the biggest compromise has already been made by accepting the BBF. Anything further is equal to ethnic suicide.

There is logic there. WHen the islands majority has already accepted the BBF's restrictions (especially those of Bi-zonality) then no one should expect the GC's to show anymore compromise than what's already been given.

2 "ethnically" clean zones is racist and is one of the proposals the church is against, as is rotating presidency and any settlers (recognised by the UN as a war crime) remaining.

So far we've already accepted rotating presidency, already accepted the 2 ethnic zones and have already accepted 50,000 settlers remaining. We now have only to accept turkey's demand for split FIR and for citizenship granted to any turkish citizen that wishes it and Bob's your uncle, we got a solution.

All pretty meaningless, as in Jerry Maguire, "they lost most of us at rotating presidency."

p.s not a huge fan of the church but can't see me disagreeing with any of their points.

When you say 'You have accepted" what do you mean? when did you accept this? Who accepted this?

How does the Church know what is being talked about and agreed in negotiations?

President Christofias has not only accepted but in fact proposed himself rotating presidency and 50,000 settlers remaining as a gesture of good will at the start of the talks.

Talat responded by flying to turkey and coming back with a demand for seprate FIR's.

In other words, nothing is agreed and President Christofias is merely exposing the Turks (Ankara) for what they truly are ... greedy expansionists!

Well this is the only positive of the entire process. Both leaders have agreed that nothing is considered an agreement until the entire matter is agreed. So these "gifts" by the President will be deemed null and void if an overall settlement is not accomplished.

I believe a new thread to show exactly the efforts and compromise that the GC side has demonstrated in these talks and the usual steps backwards that have been taken by the turkish side.

The comparison is remarkable and I can't believe some of the TC's here haven't gone into hiding in the shame that their true face has been shown and that no compromise will ever be acceptbale to the Turkish side.

They're only interested in further gains.

Good idea for a new thread DT., go for it, as we could all do with a reality check ....

[YFred]

I have a couple of questions?

do you guys think that the church in south is against any reasonably attainable solution?

and if so why?

There is nothing to believe. The church has made it's position clear. Anybody who votes yes to peace is destined for hell. hat other information do you need to come to the correct conclusion.

Just wanted to see what the GC thought?

What does the church have to lose?

Hellenising the whole island. They want it all.

Is this still their position?

No, it's YFred's position.

What do you think their position is?

The church believes the biggest compromise has already been made by accepting the BBF. Anything further is equal to ethnic suicide.

There is logic there. WHen the islands majority has already accepted the BBF's restrictions (especially those of Bi-zonality) then no one should expect the GC's to show anymore compromise than what's already been given.

2 "ethnically" clean zones is racist and is one of the proposals the church is against, as is rotating presidency and any settlers (recognised by the UN as a war crime) remaining.

So far we've already accepted rotating presidency, already accepted the 2 ethnic zones and have already accepted 50,000 settlers remaining. We now have only to accept turkey's demand for split FIR and for citizenship granted to any turkish citizen that wishes it and Bob's your uncle, we got a solution.

All pretty meaningless, as in Jerry Maguire, "they lost most of us at rotating presidency."

p.s not a huge fan of the church but can't see me disagreeing with any of their points.

When you say 'You have accepted" what do you mean? when did you accept this? Who accepted this?

How does the Church know what is being talked about and agreed in negotiations?

President Christofias has not only accepted but in fact proposed himself rotating presidency and 50,000 settlers remaining as a gesture of good will at the start of the talks.

Talat responded by flying to turkey and coming back with a demand for seprate FIR's.

In other words, nothing is agreed and President Christofias is merely exposing the Turks (Ankara) for what they truly are ... greedy expansionists!

Well this is the only positive of the entire process. Both leaders have agreed that nothing is considered an agreement until the entire matter is agreed. So these "gifts" by the President will be deemed null and void if an overall settlement is not accomplished.

I believe a new thread to show exactly the efforts and compromise that the GC side has demonstrated in these talks and the usual steps backwards that have been taken by the turkish side.

The comparison is remarkable and I can't believe some of the TC's here haven't gone into hiding in the shame that their true face has been shown and that no compromise will ever be acceptbale to the Turkish side.

They're only interested in further gains.

Good idea for a new thread DT., go for it, as we could all do with a reality check ....

Sure, and pigs will fly.