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[Malapapa]

Contempt of court is a serious matter in civilised countries. I do hope the people making these decisions have thought these things through. I'd hate to see Talat detained next time he lands in the UK, unless its for claiming political asylum.

How would Talat be in contempt of court?

Because his regime would be standing in the way of a court order.

So take his regime to court (and see where it gets you).
Simples.

No. Individuals representing the regime will be taken to court, as would, say, directors of a company who are legally responsible for how a company operates.

[bill cobbett]

The Orams by publicly proclaiming their intention to abide by the Courts decision and by removing themselves from the villa have placed themselves above any accusations of contempt of court.
If the "authorities " in the "trnc" refuse to grant them permission to demolish the villa , the Orams can do absolutely nothing about it and the Courts will be powerless in taking any action against them .

This demonstrates that Mr. Apostolides may have got a financial award (which could never have justified his potential costs risk) but he hasn't got and never could have got possesion of either the villa or the land it stands on. Whilst in an ideal world it would have done so, such cases cannot be said to be attempts to reposess land/property claimed by GCs, but attempts to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers. Nothing at all wrong with that as a legitimate tactic provided it is honestly stated as being just a tactic and not passed-off as an attempt at recovering property for sentimental reasons or "on principle." However, such tactics could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway. For this reason, I think the UK court could have stalled the ruling.

Really Vaughanwilliams, really??? "Such tactics (to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers) could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway?" Really??? In other words, under the pre-text that settlement talks are underway -and which might as well be underway for an indefinite period of time; you wish to retain the free hand and a free ride to a continues looting of illegally usurped GC properties in the occupied north -obviously until none is left to be returned back to its legal owners one day, so as not to "disturb" the talks under way. This is what you are basically saying, Mr. crook, but let me tell you what I say! What I say, in Turkish is called SIKTIR, and in English, well, figure it out yourself!

Quite so, the work of the Courts, wherever they may be, must go on, "talks or no ""talks".

One of Mr Candounas's motives, perhaps even the main motive, was to make the "sales" of other peoples' lands and houses that were muddying the waters of a property settlement, more difficult.

He certainly seems to have been successful in this aim.

[bill cobbett]

Contempt of court is a serious matter in civilised countries. I do hope the people making these decisions have thought these things through. I'd hate to see Talat detained next time he lands in the UK, unless its for claiming political asylum.

How would Talat be in contempt of court?

Because his regime would be standing in the way of a court order.

So take his regime to court (and see where it gets you).
Simples.

No. Individuals representing the regime will be taken to court, as would, say, directors of a company who are legally responsible for how a company operates.

Can only take LEGAL entities and individuals before the Courts and the ILLEGAL Occupation Regime doesn't come in to these two cats.

Turkey does though (see various ECHR actions).

[YFred]

The Orams by publicly proclaiming their intention to abide by the Courts decision and by removing themselves from the villa have placed themselves above any accusations of contempt of court.
If the "authorities " in the "trnc" refuse to grant them permission to demolish the villa , the Orams can do absolutely nothing about it and the Courts will be powerless in taking any action against them .

This demonstrates that Mr. Apostolides may have got a financial award (which could never have justified his potential costs risk) but he hasn't got and never could have got possesion of either the villa or the land it stands on. Whilst in an ideal world it would have done so, such cases cannot be said to be attempts to reposess land/property claimed by GCs, but attempts to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers. Nothing at all wrong with that as a legitimate tactic provided it is honestly stated as being just a tactic and not passed-off as an attempt at recovering property for sentimental reasons or "on principle." However, such tactics could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway. For this reason, I think the UK court could have stalled the ruling.

Really Vaughanwilliams, really??? "Such tactics (to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers) could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway?" Really??? In other words, under the pre-text that settlement talks are underway -and which might as well be underway for an indefinite period of time; you wish to retain the free hand and a free ride to a continues looting of illegally usurped GC properties in the occupied north -obviously until none is left to be returned back to its legal owners one day, so as not to "disturb" the talks under way. This is what you are basically saying, Mr. crook, but let me tell you what I say! What I say, in Turkish is called SIKTIR, and in English, well, figure it out yourself!

Quite so, the work of the Courts, wherever they may be, must go on, "talks or no ""talks".

One of Mr Candounas's motives, perhaps even the main motive, was to make the "sales" of other peoples' lands and houses that were muddying the waters of a property settlement, more difficult.

He certainly seems to have been successful in this aim.

Since when, did you always not claim that it was about one man and his house. So it was the construction industry all along. Since when have had this vision then? have you seen the light?

[Malapapa]

Contempt of court is a serious matter in civilised countries. I do hope the people making these decisions have thought these things through. I'd hate to see Talat detained next time he lands in the UK, unless its for claiming political asylum.

How would Talat be in contempt of court?

Because his regime would be standing in the way of a court order.

So take his regime to court (and see where it gets you).
Simples.

No. Individuals representing the regime will be taken to court, as would, say, directors of a company who are legally responsible for how a company operates.

Can only take LEGAL entities and individuals before the Courts and the ILLEGAL Occupation Regime doesn't come in to these two cats.

You're right. Only individuals can be taken to the courts in this instance because, as you say the "TRNC" - like the Gambino crime family - isn't a legally constituted entity. But the boss still got convicted...

[bill cobbett]

The Orams by publicly proclaiming their intention to abide by the Courts decision and by removing themselves from the villa have placed themselves above any accusations of contempt of court.
If the "authorities " in the "trnc" refuse to grant them permission to demolish the villa , the Orams can do absolutely nothing about it and the Courts will be powerless in taking any action against them .

This demonstrates that Mr. Apostolides may have got a financial award (which could never have justified his potential costs risk) but he hasn't got and never could have got possesion of either the villa or the land it stands on. Whilst in an ideal world it would have done so, such cases cannot be said to be attempts to reposess land/property claimed by GCs, but attempts to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers. Nothing at all wrong with that as a legitimate tactic provided it is honestly stated as being just a tactic and not passed-off as an attempt at recovering property for sentimental reasons or "on principle." However, such tactics could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway. For this reason, I think the UK court could have stalled the ruling.

Really Vaughanwilliams, really??? "Such tactics (to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers) could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway?" Really??? In other words, under the pre-text that settlement talks are underway -and which might as well be underway for an indefinite period of time; you wish to retain the free hand and a free ride to a continues looting of illegally usurped GC properties in the occupied north -obviously until none is left to be returned back to its legal owners one day, so as not to "disturb" the talks under way. This is what you are basically saying, Mr. crook, but let me tell you what I say! What I say, in Turkish is called SIKTIR, and in English, well, figure it out yourself!

Quite so, the work of the Courts, wherever they may be, must go on, "talks or no ""talks".

One of Mr Candounas's motives, perhaps even the main motive, was to make the "sales" of other peoples' lands and houses that were muddying the waters of a property settlement, more difficult.

He certainly seems to have been successful in this aim.

Since when, did you always not claim that it was about one man and his house. So it was the construction industry all along. Since when have had this vision then? have you seen the light?

One man and his house? So you didn't think it was about one man and his dog then? Then again, perhaps you didn't think?

It was about one man and his house, but with further effects.

It's what happens when precedents are set or re-established. When Law and Order are brought back to the Lawless and Disorderly. It's about the long arm of the law reaching out Freddie, to those who thought they were Untouchable .... and touching them and reminding them that the law outside Tnucland respects the matter of one man and his house.

Anyway Mr C's motives are Public Knowledge.

[YFred]

The Orams by publicly proclaiming their intention to abide by the Courts decision and by removing themselves from the villa have placed themselves above any accusations of contempt of court.
If the "authorities " in the "trnc" refuse to grant them permission to demolish the villa , the Orams can do absolutely nothing about it and the Courts will be powerless in taking any action against them .

This demonstrates that Mr. Apostolides may have got a financial award (which could never have justified his potential costs risk) but he hasn't got and never could have got possesion of either the villa or the land it stands on. Whilst in an ideal world it would have done so, such cases cannot be said to be attempts to reposess land/property claimed by GCs, but attempts to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers. Nothing at all wrong with that as a legitimate tactic provided it is honestly stated as being just a tactic and not passed-off as an attempt at recovering property for sentimental reasons or "on principle." However, such tactics could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway. For this reason, I think the UK court could have stalled the ruling.

Really Vaughanwilliams, really??? "Such tactics (to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers) could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway?" Really??? In other words, under the pre-text that settlement talks are underway -and which might as well be underway for an indefinite period of time; you wish to retain the free hand and a free ride to a continues looting of illegally usurped GC properties in the occupied north -obviously until none is left to be returned back to its legal owners one day, so as not to "disturb" the talks under way. This is what you are basically saying, Mr. crook, but let me tell you what I say! What I say, in Turkish is called SIKTIR, and in English, well, figure it out yourself!

Quite so, the work of the Courts, wherever they may be, must go on, "talks or no ""talks".

One of Mr Candounas's motives, perhaps even the main motive, was to make the "sales" of other peoples' lands and houses that were muddying the waters of a property settlement, more difficult.

He certainly seems to have been successful in this aim.

Since when, did you always not claim that it was about one man and his house. So it was the construction industry all along. Since when have had this vision then? have you seen the light?

One man and his house? So you didn't think it was about one man and his dog then? Then again, perhaps you didn't think?

It was about one man and his house, but with further effects.

It's what happens when precedents are set or re-established. When Law and Order are brought back to the Lawless and Disorderly. It's about the long arm of the law reaching out Freddie, to those who thought they were Untouchable .... and touching them and reminding them that the law outside Tnucland respects the matter of one man and his house.

Anyway Mr C's motives are Public Knowledge.

Never the less that is not what you guys were propagating on this forum is it?

[bill cobbett]

The Orams by publicly proclaiming their intention to abide by the Courts decision and by removing themselves from the villa have placed themselves above any accusations of contempt of court.
If the "authorities " in the "trnc" refuse to grant them permission to demolish the villa , the Orams can do absolutely nothing about it and the Courts will be powerless in taking any action against them .

This demonstrates that Mr. Apostolides may have got a financial award (which could never have justified his potential costs risk) but he hasn't got and never could have got possesion of either the villa or the land it stands on. Whilst in an ideal world it would have done so, such cases cannot be said to be attempts to reposess land/property claimed by GCs, but attempts to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers. Nothing at all wrong with that as a legitimate tactic provided it is honestly stated as being just a tactic and not passed-off as an attempt at recovering property for sentimental reasons or "on principle." However, such tactics could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway. For this reason, I think the UK court could have stalled the ruling.

Really Vaughanwilliams, really??? "Such tactics (to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers) could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway?" Really??? In other words, under the pre-text that settlement talks are underway -and which might as well be underway for an indefinite period of time; you wish to retain the free hand and a free ride to a continues looting of illegally usurped GC properties in the occupied north -obviously until none is left to be returned back to its legal owners one day, so as not to "disturb" the talks under way. This is what you are basically saying, Mr. crook, but let me tell you what I say! What I say, in Turkish is called SIKTIR, and in English, well, figure it out yourself!

Quite so, the work of the Courts, wherever they may be, must go on, "talks or no ""talks".

One of Mr Candounas's motives, perhaps even the main motive, was to make the "sales" of other peoples' lands and houses that were muddying the waters of a property settlement, more difficult.

He certainly seems to have been successful in this aim.

Since when, did you always not claim that it was about one man and his house. So it was the construction industry all along. Since when have had this vision then? have you seen the light?

One man and his house? So you didn't think it was about one man and his dog then? Then again, perhaps you didn't think?

It was about one man and his house, but with further effects.

It's what happens when precedents are set or re-established. When Law and Order are brought back to the Lawless and Disorderly. It's about the long arm of the law reaching out Freddie, to those who thought they were Untouchable .... and touching them and reminding them that the law outside Tnucland respects the matter of one man and his house.

Anyway Mr C's motives are Public Knowledge.

Never the less that is not what you guys were propagating on this forum is it?

Everyone is of course entitled to their own views, their own interpretation of the matter, so pack it in with the generalisations.

Own view is that it was about one man and his dog with the wider effect that it helps an eventual settlement by stopping the muddying of waters by the Illegal Regime's encouragement of "selling" land to people other than CYs. Suspect you know one of the aims of the illegal "selling" was to complicate matters, to make a settlement less likely.

As to "your" construction industry, no objection to developing tissy land (or even government land perhaps).

[YFred]

The Orams by publicly proclaiming their intention to abide by the Courts decision and by removing themselves from the villa have placed themselves above any accusations of contempt of court.
If the "authorities " in the "trnc" refuse to grant them permission to demolish the villa , the Orams can do absolutely nothing about it and the Courts will be powerless in taking any action against them .

This demonstrates that Mr. Apostolides may have got a financial award (which could never have justified his potential costs risk) but he hasn't got and never could have got possesion of either the villa or the land it stands on. Whilst in an ideal world it would have done so, such cases cannot be said to be attempts to reposess land/property claimed by GCs, but attempts to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers. Nothing at all wrong with that as a legitimate tactic provided it is honestly stated as being just a tactic and not passed-off as an attempt at recovering property for sentimental reasons or "on principle." However, such tactics could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway. For this reason, I think the UK court could have stalled the ruling.

Really Vaughanwilliams, really??? "Such tactics (to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers) could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway?" Really??? In other words, under the pre-text that settlement talks are underway -and which might as well be underway for an indefinite period of time; you wish to retain the free hand and a free ride to a continues looting of illegally usurped GC properties in the occupied north -obviously until none is left to be returned back to its legal owners one day, so as not to "disturb" the talks under way. This is what you are basically saying, Mr. crook, but let me tell you what I say! What I say, in Turkish is called SIKTIR, and in English, well, figure it out yourself!

Quite so, the work of the Courts, wherever they may be, must go on, "talks or no ""talks".

One of Mr Candounas's motives, perhaps even the main motive, was to make the "sales" of other peoples' lands and houses that were muddying the waters of a property settlement, more difficult.

He certainly seems to have been successful in this aim.

Since when, did you always not claim that it was about one man and his house. So it was the construction industry all along. Since when have had this vision then? have you seen the light?

One man and his house? So you didn't think it was about one man and his dog then? Then again, perhaps you didn't think?

It was about one man and his house, but with further effects.

It's what happens when precedents are set or re-established. When Law and Order are brought back to the Lawless and Disorderly. It's about the long arm of the law reaching out Freddie, to those who thought they were Untouchable .... and touching them and reminding them that the law outside Tnucland respects the matter of one man and his house.

Anyway Mr C's motives are Public Knowledge.

Never the less that is not what you guys were propagating on this forum is it?

Everyone is of course entitled to their own views, their own interpretation of the matter, so pack it in with the generalisations.

Own view is that it was about one man and his dog with the wider effect that it helps an eventual settlement by stopping the muddying of waters by the Illegal Regime's encouragement of "selling" land to people other than CYs. Suspect you know one of the aims of the illegal "selling" was to complicate matters, to make a settlement less likely.

As to "your" construction industry, no objection to developing tissy land (or even government land perhaps).

When you reap the benefits of thid case, I shall be able to say you got everything you dereved.

[bill cobbett]

The Orams by publicly proclaiming their intention to abide by the Courts decision and by removing themselves from the villa have placed themselves above any accusations of contempt of court.
If the "authorities " in the "trnc" refuse to grant them permission to demolish the villa , the Orams can do absolutely nothing about it and the Courts will be powerless in taking any action against them .

This demonstrates that Mr. Apostolides may have got a financial award (which could never have justified his potential costs risk) but he hasn't got and never could have got possesion of either the villa or the land it stands on. Whilst in an ideal world it would have done so, such cases cannot be said to be attempts to reposess land/property claimed by GCs, but attempts to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers. Nothing at all wrong with that as a legitimate tactic provided it is honestly stated as being just a tactic and not passed-off as an attempt at recovering property for sentimental reasons or "on principle." However, such tactics could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway. For this reason, I think the UK court could have stalled the ruling.

Really Vaughanwilliams, really??? "Such tactics (to disrupt the economy of the TRNC and discourage potential EU buyers) could be said to undermine genuine settlement talks when they are underway?" Really??? In other words, under the pre-text that settlement talks are underway -and which might as well be underway for an indefinite period of time; you wish to retain the free hand and a free ride to a continues looting of illegally usurped GC properties in the occupied north -obviously until none is left to be returned back to its legal owners one day, so as not to "disturb" the talks under way. This is what you are basically saying, Mr. crook, but let me tell you what I say! What I say, in Turkish is called SIKTIR, and in English, well, figure it out yourself!

Quite so, the work of the Courts, wherever they may be, must go on, "talks or no ""talks".

One of Mr Candounas's motives, perhaps even the main motive, was to make the "sales" of other peoples' lands and houses that were muddying the waters of a property settlement, more difficult.

He certainly seems to have been successful in this aim.

Since when, did you always not claim that it was about one man and his house. So it was the construction industry all along. Since when have had this vision then? have you seen the light?

One man and his house? So you didn't think it was about one man and his dog then? Then again, perhaps you didn't think?

It was about one man and his house, but with further effects.

It's what happens when precedents are set or re-established. When Law and Order are brought back to the Lawless and Disorderly. It's about the long arm of the law reaching out Freddie, to those who thought they were Untouchable .... and touching them and reminding them that the law outside Tnucland respects the matter of one man and his house.

Anyway Mr C's motives are Public Knowledge.

Never the less that is not what you guys were propagating on this forum is it?

Everyone is of course entitled to their own views, their own interpretation of the matter, so pack it in with the generalisations.

Own view is that it was about one man and his dog with the wider effect that it helps an eventual settlement by stopping the muddying of waters by the Illegal Regime's encouragement of "selling" land to people other than CYs. Suspect you know one of the aims of the illegal "selling" was to complicate matters, to make a settlement less likely.

As to "your" construction industry, no objection to developing tissy land (or even government land perhaps).

When you reap the benefits of thid case, I shall be able to say you got everything you dereved.

Get a life Freddie ... and a dictionary. ..... and some decent morals .....